So far as the right to bodily integrity is concerned, it is not violated as the impugned orders do not authorise the involuntary vaccination of anyone.”
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I guess that’s an admission, on the record, we do have some kind of right to bodily integrity. Baby steps!
Now all we need to do is make extortion illegal … that might also be a step in the right direction.
But two states at least (WA SA) HAVE authorised forceful vaccination.
As to this ruling, next is “the state preventing your access to food, water and air do not violate your bodily integrity”
Oh well, fanciful to expect he’s going to bite the hand that feeds him.
So my employer can tell me I’m on indefinite leave until I bend over and think of England, as authorized by law, and such an order does not authorize the involuntary buggery of anyone? Has coercion been specifically redefined for COVID?
There ought to be a clear difference between easing restrictions that applied to all and now only to some and mandating vaccines for classes of people, in Victoria’s case the carve out for commonwealth and justice department ‘essential’ employees because of jurisdictional issues suggests the decision isn’t driven by the ‘science’.
there is no law nor health order that prevents people from buying food or any other necessity.
Wrong again.
some people have good reasons for not getting vaccinated such as reactions but most do not.
They are very selfish secular prats who do not give a stuff about anyone else.
There is a theory that most people who are in hospital for covid who have had two jabs are more likely to be there because covid has caused large problems to other problems they have in the heart, lungs and kidneys. If this theory has legs then these selfish people should have a good hard look at themselves.
Having failed miserably at understanding the engineering of electrical power generation and distribution, Non Compos Mentis tries his hand at medicine.
And again fails miserably!
PS, to help him. No job eventually equals no money, eventually equals no food or other necessities.
PPS, “There is a theory” means NCM needs something to say that sounds intelligent, but is too stupid to find it.
“My body, my choice”, idiot.
so says the man so bone lazy he can’t even be bothered reading the AENO website which would provide answerers to his tremendous ignorance of which he is so proud.
People who are unvaccinated by choice can infect others. to what extent we simply do not know yet. This would be choice of deliberately not wanting to work. they would qualify for welfare so no they would have food on the table because as I point out they can shop for any necessity they need.
A theory means quite a few specialists have seen this. Anecdotes is not the same as evidence. Something you always lack.
No genius your choice to infect people.
Poor Non Compos Mentis, thrashing around seeking relevance.
The vaccinated can both catch and spread Kung Flu.
What is an AENO?
What Boambee John said.
What makes you think the unvaccinated are automatically infected, “genius”?
Extract from an actual bulletin sent out yesterday by “Communication and Engagement Team” of a subgroup of the SA
Ministry of TruthDepartment of Health and Wellbeing.There’s more New Speak in the bulletin, but it’s too depressing to quote. (Hint: “Masks are awesome!”)
This is from the UK, so it’s mostly AstraZeneca vaccine.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf
Check out Table 2 on page 13 , and Figure 2 (same data in graphical form) on page 17 … the rates are adjusted per lakh of population, and what you notice is that for people in the 30-39 age group it’s balanced evenly as to whether the vaccinated or unvaccinated are more likely to be infected during that 4 week window. However, once you get to age 40 and above, the vaccinated are MORE likely to be infected during that 4 week window.
We will see where that goes in future weeks but my gut feeling is that it will be going more in that direction. My interpretation of the above data is that with regards to infection, getting vaccinated merely delays the inevitable … a very large number of those vaccinated people are going to end up getting it before this is over.
The other interesting thing is that in the UK, finally most of the total cases are in the under 18’s and hardly any of those kids are dying from it. They had 300k cases in the under 18’s and only 6 deaths categorized as “Death within 28 days of positive COVID-19 test ” … which is probably not even all really died of covid. Probably good for those kids who get it over with before Winter comes through.
Also note that for most age groups the vaccinated are about half as likely to end up in hospital … again based on adjustment per lakh of population. That’s the main benefit as far as I can tell, although there are many, many factors determining covid disease severity … and vaccination is one such factor, not something to obsess over.
So getting vaccinated decreases your chance of being hospitalised or dying?
All anyone needs to know really.
We already knew that rosie.
The problem is twofold.
first a vaccine takes 14 days until helps you against covid.
Second if you have underlying conditions say heart problems even a vaccine may not save you. At best you may go into a ICU ward all because someone was too selfish to get vaccinated. Very very secular
If we lived in a free country then perhaps that would be sufficient … unfortunately we have mandates that are justified by the false claim that the vaccine will prevent the spread and end the outbreaks. Misinformation needs to be fought against, using real information and the UK is going to have to face up to this because it’s already swung across, and each week will be more breakthrough infections until the majority of vaccinated people have been through covid. It’s going to be incredibly difficult for them to back down, although no doubt it will end up being one of those narrative pivots … which we have already seen with the “My Hospital Bed” episode.
How does someone as stupid as Non Compos Mentis manage to get dressed in the morning?
Not quite.
Everybody also needs to know their chance of being hospitalised or dying as an unvaccinated person is close to zero and always has been.
On any given day in Victoria, about 1500 “cases” are announced. More or less several thousand a week, in other words. Let’s assume that’s about a quarter of how many are actually infected. Tens of thousands and only a few end up in hospital – most with collateral medical problems. At least a third of those are in hospital because they spent their entire lives ignoring health advice about being overweight.
Maybe we should mandate salads.
Sorry CL I should have been more specific, if you are at risk, with comorbities (which includes being over 60) getting vaccinated improves your chances of not being hospitalised or dying.
Part of the problem of counting every positive test as a ‘case’ makes the possibility of getting very ill seem more remote for those at risk than it actually is.
At the moment in Victoria approximately 7.5k out of 20k ‘cases’ are aged under 19.
I fully support the concept of informed consent, and if the covid vaccines might help some people, those people should be offered unimpeded access to this option.
Same holds for Vitamin D, Zinc, and that I-word stuff that has been safely used around the world and has achieved excellent results in Uttar Pradesh … all those things might help some people, and could also prove useful options.
At no time ever should some Chiefly Chief Heath Bureaucrat be mandating any medical treatment.
You go too far, Sir.
At this stage no-one knows the death or even hospitalisition rate for those for who are unvaccinated to those who are because it is not measured.
Let us assume it has not change from pre-vaccine days.
thus the chances of dying directly from covid is between 1-2 in 100. The chances of you dying because covid exacerbates an already poor condition in the heart, lungs or kidney appears to be 1 in 12.
Personal choice does not cut the mustard as covid has poor implications for some who catch it from you.
you either care for your fellow man or do not give a stuff about him.
Of course it isn’t.
So does the flu, and rhinoviruses, and the common cold.
Stop hiding behind ‘some’, you’re talking about you.
Who says this mythical ‘we’ of yours even have it, Paxton?
You are as hysterical as m0nty…
Homer thinks that everyone should abrogate his/her personal rights for our “fellow man,” and that we are selfish otherwise.
Like a true socialist.
It’s not even close to that. I used the Oxford COVID calculator yesterday, and for the vast majority of under 55s even overweight but without serious illness the number is around 1 in 10000 of dying with COVID.
For those in danger, they ought to get vaxxed and take the necessary precautions. The only obligation the unvaxed and vaxxed have to in-danger groups is to isolate themselves as best they can if symptomatic until clear of the virus.