One Glorious Day In Sevastopol

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12 Responses to One Glorious Day In Sevastopol

  1. Ivan Denisovich says:

    Terrific piece by Hitchens.

  2. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Superb analysis by Peter Hitchens. Thank you for uploading link C.L.

  3. cuckoo says:

    Just wondering whatever happened to the left’s boogeyman of ‘Nationalism’? In the words of 1066 and all that apparently nationalism is a Very Bad thing if you are French or German or British and suddenly a Very Good Thing if you are Ukrainian.

  4. Buccaneer says:

    My observation, not endorsement of the Ukrainian actions, is that it seems hard for people who have endured heinous circumstances to find charity towards their oppressors. The Ukraine suffered what they call a genocide at the hands of the Soviets, I have Ukrainian friends who speak about it even though they are removed from this situation by a generation or two.

    The Serbs and the Muslims, Kosovo, Bosnia, I have Serbian friends who seem batshit cray cray to most but really are living a multi-generational trauma.

    The Spanish inquisition was a similar pogrom to ensure they were never oppressed again.

    It’s a recurring theme, in the scheme of things insisting on Ukrainian language and the few other items in this list seem counter-weighed by what the Ukrainians might refer to as the original crime, the deliberate starving of a whole population and the ethnic replacement thereafter.

    I would personally prefer they could have found some forgiveness, but it will be hard to argue that was a real solution given current events, we all know forgiveness works best when it is reciprocated.

  5. cuckoo says:

    Just to labour my point. Apparently displaying the flag of your own country during peacetime is a sign that you are an unhinged anti-vaxxing white supremacist neo-nazi, but waving it during wartime is an act of heroism? G0t it.

    My other question has always been, if national identity is an evil, dangerous concept, on what basis is Eurovision conducted?

  6. twostix says:

    The Ukraine suffered what they call a genocide at the hands of the Soviets, I have Ukrainian friends who speak about it even though they are removed from this situation by a generation or two.

    Do they talk about the genocide Ukrainian nationalists committed against the poles a decade later?

    No whimsical reasons or excuses for that one.

  7. Buccaneer says:

    Do they talk about the genocide Ukrainian nationalists committed against the poles a decade later?

    No, just like the Russians say they didn’t commit a genocide. I’m not commenting on the validity of the claims or the actions there after. What i am saying is that it seems common that people can’t just forgive sometimes when we wish they might be able to. I’ll just be happy if the Poles don’t take out retribution for those kinds of acts and the Ukrainians can learn from their mistakes and that me an mine never have to be faced with the situation that makes these people do desperate things.

  8. twostix says:

    Yeah I get it Buccaneer, I doubt there’s any place in the world where history and each people’s atrocities against others and towards themselves, is more selectively remembered than in eastern europe.

    Which is why infantile adolescent US state department clowns going in and openly firing up the place in 2014 as though it’s just another Iraq or Libya that they can blow up politically then control the aftermath or simply walk away and shrug their shoulders if (and now, when) it all went bad was so risible.

  9. Lee says:

    Which is why infantile adolescent US state department clowns

    For at least the last eighty years the U.S. State Department has been an Augean stable, well and truly needing a Hercules to clean out the whole rotten, corrupt structure.

  10. Buccaneer says:

    twostix, agree entirely, it was arrogant enough to do the arab spring thing then abandon it all when it went sideways. It’s not just the US, the Germans and the rest of europe also need a wake up. To pretend they weren’t playing both sides of the divide then throw their hands up in the air is despicable. The worst part is watching the western media fawn over Biden as though he hasn’t had his hand out in all those countries.

    I truly think the in Putin’s mind the words nazification equate to the west’s use of right wing extremist and he thinks he is on the right side of history because he is only doing what the west has been doing in their own countries, expunging a “threat”.

    Lee, i think the trump admin might have exposed what a sisyphean task that might be.

  11. Lee says:

    Lee, i think the trump admin might have exposed what a sisyphean task that might be.

    Buccaneer, I think that the U.S. State Department is an absolutely classic example of public or civil servants doing as they like, often despite the wishes of the government of the day.
    Not to mention, often misleading or outright lying to their own government.

  12. Buccaneer says:

    Government always does what suits government. When i point this out to my lefty friends they almost always agree, when they don’t agree i give examples. It’s a short stretch then to explain that is the reason that government is unsuitable to deliver services and that the more focussed it is on setting and enforcing the rules of engagement for everyone the less problems it causes. In the end whether it is a government department or a company it is still a collection of people with a common interest, it’s just easier for government to hide their mistakes, dishonesty or anything else.

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