Liberal Party moves to ban devout Christians from membership

What we have seen today is a statement from the leader of our party that the party I joined over 41 years ago is dead. The party of Menzies and Howard is no more — not in Victoria. I will continue to fight, not just in this parliament, but in the next parliament as well.”

– Mr Finn this morning. Far-left extremist Matthew Guy says he is upholding “respectful discourse”

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30 Responses to Liberal Party moves to ban devout Christians from membership

  1. Mak Siccar says:

    And this, my friends, is why Viktoriastan is stuffed and will be for a very long time to come. Uttterly disgraceful.

  2. Cassie of Sydney says:

    I’m sorry but I don’t see any difference between Groundhog Guy and Dan Andrews. In fact, Andrews is far more honest.

    Guy and the Victorian Liberals are slimy slithering cowards….every single one of them. And you know what’s laughable…..Guy won’t win in November.

  3. Not Trampis says:

    Was he expelled for these comments or was this the excuse for other comments.

    either way quite disturbing.

  4. NoFixedAddress says:

    I support Bernie Finn.

  5. Mantaray says:

    Hmmm. had he not specified “even following a rape” I’d probably be supporting Bernie, but geez…..it’s so “off ” to tell, say, a 12 year old she has to carry the baby to birth after the loser step-dad has assaulted her, that Bernie can’t be anything BUT a liability to any political outfit.

    Nope, f’wit Matthew Guy has merely done what every broken clock does. Though probably only once this day.

  6. Gab says:

    Bernie Finn has been against abortion for years and years and has spoken about this publicly. That the ”Liberal” Party expels him now is astounding and nothing short of empty virtue-signalling.

  7. and says:

    When Whoopi Cushion refers to Archbishop Cordileone as “dude”…

    “It’s Not Your Job, Dude” – Whoopi Goldberg Says Archbishop Is Not Allowed to Bar Pelosi From Communion Due to Her Support of Abortion (VIDEO)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/not-job-dude-whoopi-goldberg-says-archbishop-not-allowed-bar-pelosi-communion-due-support-abortion-video/

  8. Boambee John says:

    Whoopi didn’t learn much from playing a nun, did she?

  9. WolfmanOz says:

    The state is run by a criminal organisation ie the Victorian Labor Party, and Guy picks a fight with someone from his own team !

    Spare me ! ! !

    Andrews is now on the nose but the Libs are still not making any serious attempt to appear as an alternative govt.

  10. NoFixedAddress says:

    VikStasi will soon sort him out…

    Australian eSafety Commissioner WARPs At WEF

  11. Lee says:

    Spineless Matthew Guy had a chance to stand up for Liberal principles and free speech just several months out from an election, but totally blew it.
    Again he has taken the Morrison line and taken the left/Andrews government side.
    If Guy won’t stand for Liberal principles and their supporters why should they vote for him?

  12. Mantaray says:

    Lee…and many others; feel free to give us your own opinion on Bernie’s view that even rape victims 9of all ages presumably) should not be allowed an abortion.

    C’mon, SOMEBODY defend this so we’ll know Bernie is not electoral poison.

  13. Pommy Al says:

    Expel him but keep M.T.
    Amazing shit. How come we lost votes? They all complain.
    Idiocracy writ large again.
    Every day seems to increase the level of moronic stupidity . Then again they all went to uni.
    My mistake.

  14. C.L. says:

    C’mon, SOMEBODY defend this so we’ll know Bernie is not electoral poison.

    Sure I’ll defend it.
    Historically, the most enthusiastic backers of abortions for rape victims are rapists.

    Now, can Matthew Guy and his apron-wearing chums defend the idea that requiring a rape victim to deliver a baby is more repugnant than exterminating almost every unborn Down Syndrome baby in the Western world?

    The abortion lobby always cites “rape and incest” because they know there is no remaining political sales pitch available to them. The advent of premmy medicine, the huge demand for adoption, the ugly extermination of the unborn imperfect, the targeting of female fetuses in some cultures, the generous modern welfare state, the complete disappearance of social prejudices against pregnant singles and the ever-present reality of science (life begins at conception) have killed off the old slogan of “abortion on demand.” They ditched that slogan because most people regarded it as disgusting and regarded them as immoral psychopaths for using it.

    The only thing the lobby has left now is Rape ‘n Incest. It used to be understood that hard cases make bad law but now they make useful distractions.

  15. Not Trampis says:

    Rape, incest and an unborn child attacking its mother are rare. Even so saying abortions per se should all be banned is mad stuff.
    if my wife was raped and was young enough to bear children I would want her to have the choice. The case of incest is not even a choice nor when the unborn is attacking the mother.
    People who advocate total opposition to all abortions simply make the ‘ pro-choice’ lobby argument for them.

  16. C.L. says:

    Even so saying abortions per se should all be banned is mad stuff.

    “Thou shalt not kill.”

    People who advocate total opposition to all abortions simply make the ‘ pro-choice’ lobby argument for them.

    Nope. Abortion clinics are closing in record numbers across the US. The abortion lobby has been losing for a long time.

  17. Lee says:

    Nope. Abortion clinics are closing in record numbers across the US. The abortion lobby has been losing for a long time.

    Did not know that was happening in the U.S. death industry.
    Good.

  18. Not Trampis says:

    We only have to look what occurred in texas, the middle and upper class people merely flew interstate. Lower class people would have to deal with the problems of backyard abortions, Changing the law does little . You have to change minds.

    Cl is almost always wrong so I am not going to take his word on this.

  19. Franx says:

    Not being versed in the ethics of the matter as a whole, it is nevertheless apparent that some of the assumptions in the instance about a pregnancy as a result of incest and rape of a 12-year old are that the pregnancy is normal vis a vis not only the unborn but also the 12-year old such that the 12-year old could carry to term while needing no treatment that would end the pregnancy; or that the 12-year old must be subject to having the will of others once again imposed upon her, demanding an abortion; or that the Church in other respects regarding the 12-year old does not have recourse to doctrines and dogmas which advise not just in the general but also, and especially, in the particular as to both immediate and ultimate welfare. Bernie Finn is no mere zealot in refusing to condone, outright, abortion as a consequence of rape. Rather, his stance invokes the imperative for honest and informed reflections and decisions in the face of ethical dilemmas.

  20. C.L. says:

    Cl is almost always wrong so I am not going to take his word on this.

    It isn’t my word.
    It’s the Fifth Commandment.

  21. NoFixedAddress says:

    The only ethics to consider is why we do not currently hold public executions of murderers and rapists of children.

  22. Jannie says:

    CL
    Abortion clinics are closing in record numbers across the US. The abortion lobby has been losing for a long time.

    True, the figures in the USA suggest a 33% decrease over the last 25 years or so. (easily googled). I dont have data, but i suspect the decline is due to the a overall decline in pregnancies. And that is associated with a decline in the number of healthy heterosexual relationships. Young people today don’t have such relationships and sex as often as they did 40 years ago.

  23. Jannie says:

    But don’t actually use Google, use another search engine such as etools.ch

  24. Old Lefty says:

    Continuing the Victorian Liberals’ well worn path of whimpering, simpering, gibbering, sniveling lickspittle quisling servitude and preemptive capitulation to every outrage the Andrews-Setka-Patten Stalinst pervert thuggocracy manages to produce.

    A pack of useless upper-class nings who expect government to be handed to them on a silver salver because Daddy sent them to the right sort of school, and can’t even begin to understand why they fail.

  25. Tel says:

    Lee…and many others; feel free to give us your own opinion on Bernie’s view that even rape victims 9of all ages presumably) should not be allowed an abortion.

    Abortion doesn’t solve the problem of rape, although it does hide some of the effects. At the same time, doing something to reduce rape would also make the issue of abortion less severe … so what’s the thing most useful to put the effort into?

    Let’s try to put an analogy here … suppose someone said, “Hey fentanyl is illegal but why would you deprive the victims of gang violence in Chicago some strong pain killers after they have been shot? You don’t want them to die in pain do you? Surely fentanyl should at least be legal to half-dead shooting victims!”

    In the bigger picture, more fentanyl in Chicago won’t really fix anything.

    Having said that, the analogy is a bit broader because often throwing more police at social problems doesn’t fix much either. I believe that George Floyd was a victim both of the “War on Drugs” and also the tough guy cops who are encouraged in the USA … and the two problems feed each other.

    Hard drugs, abortion, rape and police violence are all bad things that we would prefer not to have … but be very careful of people who convince you it’s a good idea to swap on bad thing for another whilest pretending there’s no trade off.

    There might be quite reasonable ways to reduce abortion by making adoption easier for example, or giving nervous young women more opportunity to consider a family as equally good compared with a career. If you look closely the state tries hard to control every aspect of reproduction, including massive bureaucracy around adoption and any religious support services … they don’t want the alternatives to be easy.

  26. C.L. says:

    I believe that George Floyd was a victim both of the “War on Drugs” and also the tough guy cops who are encouraged in the USA … and the two problems feed each other.

    Definitely. American police are very scared of being shot by blacks – for good statistical reasons. Black Americans are very scared of being shot by police – for, let’s say, understandable reasons. When I first saw the Lloyd arrest, I was militantly angry about how the gigantic dope was treated. In time, I came to believe Chauvin was simply a jaded, seen-it-all cop who was in the wrong place with the wrong perp at the wrong time. He had to be convicted or America would have burned to the ground.

    Back to the issue at hand (which is really freedom to speak and think, not abortion per se; thanks for the red herring, Trampo): terrible things will always happen in this world. We cannot make infallible, callous laws to solve or stop them, as Tel points out. Certainly, however, I welcome the fact that “girls in trouble” are no longer treated like crap by society. But, then again, I can’t say that with authority because I wasn’t around in the Olden Days. Maybe they weren’t treated as badly as progressives make out. Were they treated with more contempt, or ostracised as sanctimoniously, as Bernie Finn was today?

    Jannie, the point you make about young people and sex is important. Contraception and delayed marriage were supposed to open the doors to a solid ten years of care-free sex for all but that’s not what happened. Married 22 year-olds in the 1940s had far better sex lives (and more sex) than most 22 year-olds now.

    Almost as though there’s a law of diminishing returns in play here: increase sexual liberty this much and, woo-hoo, people are chuffed. Increase it too much – decouple sex from reproduction and family life too much; increase the saturation of sex in culture too much – and people are frustrated and unfulfilled.

    Both men and women have been sold a lie but it has been particularly hard on Western women. Millions of them are now miserable.

  27. vlad redux says:

    Is that even legal, to throw someone out of the Liberal party because of his religion?

    Another quick thought is that Matthew Guy has won *not one* vote because of this and lost more than one.

  28. bollux says:

    “Millions of them are now miserable.”
    So they go into politics.

  29. Hugh says:

    It’s been said above, but I’ll say it again:

    Babes in the womb are innocent human beings.
    Even if they’re the result of rape or incest.

    They do not deserve to be sliced and diced.

    Thank you, Bernie Finn.

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