Elite Mick-Teals want to desecrate Mass with evil mumbo jumbo

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1. C.L. says:

   30 May, 2022 at 1:44 am

   Catholics could soon be acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which their churches, schools and parishes stand, before Mass and meetings.

   The recommendation is contained in a set of proposals to the Church’s Plenary Council, to be voted on at an assembly of bishops and others later this year.

   The draft document also calls for greater decision-making roles for women in the church, and considering women for ministry as deacons should Pope Francis authorise such a change.

   Since 2020, a study commission set up by the Vatican has been reviewing the possibility of a female diaconate. The proposal to the Australian Plenary Council also says the Church should “remunerate more appropriately those women already leading and serving’’.

   The draft document, which will be controversial among many Mass-goers, is in line with parts of the Greens/teals agenda. It emphasises “the urgency of environmental degradation and climate change and the call of recent popes for an ‘ecological conversion’ and development of an integral ecology of life’’.

   In line with other faiths, as reported on Friday’s front page, the proposal “endorses the Uluru Statement from the Heart’’.

   The draft document, given to The Australian, will be circulated within the church hierarchy on Monday.

   It was written by theologian Dr Elissa Roper, a specialist in Synodality, and others, as part of a two-year consultation process involving two Plenary Councils assemblies and widespread consultation across the church. The process drew 17,457 submissions from individuals and groups, representing more than 222,000 people.

   The first Assembly was held mainly online in October last year due to Covid-19. The second, at which binding decisions will be made, will be held in Sydney in July.

   As part of the process, the National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Catholic Council, made a submission “in the hope that the Catholic Church in Australia will more resemble the Church that Jesus Christ wants her to be in relation to Australia’s First Peoples”.

   NATSICC recommended that “the traditional custodians of the land on which the church, school, parish or organisation stands be acknowledged in a prominent and appropriate manner. Verbal acknowledgment prior to meetings and Mass is also encouraged’’. It also noted that “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander spirituality contains symbols and rituals, that when used appropriately in Catholic liturgical contexts, enrich our celebrations and facilitate a welcoming environment for Indigenous Peoples.’’

   The overall proposal urges the Plenary Council to joyfully accept NATSICC’s recommendations. The Plenary Council, it says, should say “sorry to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in and beyond the Church for the part played by the church in the harms they have suffered’’ and commit “to continuing to work towards recognition and reconciliation’’.

   The Catholic Church in Australia, it said, had been caught up in Indigenous People’s history of dispossession, Stolen Generations, the undermining of language and culture, and racism.

   The document also tackles controversial issues surrounding marriage and gay and transgender rights. During the first Assembly, it said, “the entire Council devoted its time to thinking of and praying for people who have experienced marginalisation within the Church, including Indigenous peoples, women, those divorced, those who identify as LGBTIQA+, and those who have suffered abuse of any form’’.

   In a society that sees the Catholic understanding of marriage as “outdated and irrelevant”, it calls for an “urgent and clear need for a renewed catechesis on marriage”.

   At the same time, “there is a great pastoral need to care for all those called to marriage, and for those who struggle to accept the church’s teachings about the nuptial sacrament. The sacrament of marriage is at the heart of how the church understands the sanctity of human life, from conception until natural death’’.

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   Tess Livingstone in The Australian
2. Entropy says:

   30 May, 2022 at 7:47 am

   I suspect it already does in a lot of schools.

   But no, ancestor worship does not belong in Christian churches.

   I seem to recall there was this commandment (or is it a guideline, really?) that there should be no other gods before Him?
3. cuckoo says:

   30 May, 2022 at 8:43 am

   It’s bad enough that the Dominicans I go to start each mass with some presiding old biddy directing us, like kindergartners, to stand up and ‘greet’ those around us. At least there are a few cranky diehard priests who omit the ‘sign of peace’ nonsense.

   But they’ll embrace this ooga-booga with open arms. They’re probably having teal-coloured vestments made in preparation.

   At my workplace I’ve watched as the acknowledgment, which is uttered at the opening of an envelope, has grown longer and longer, to accomodate every possible splinter and subclause.
4. Gab says:

   30 May, 2022 at 8:45 am

   The modernists in the Church are really pushing for these things and it begins with the pope. I’m surprised there’s nothing about ”giving” Communion is just fine to those who promote/support abortion as many bishops in the US are currently declaring.
5. Fat Tony says:

   30 May, 2022 at 9:10 am

   Entropy says:
   30 May, 2022 at 7:47 am
   I seem to recall there was this commandment (or is it a guideline, really?) that there should be no other gods before Him?

   Nah – they’re all just guidelines these days…
6. Chris M says:

   30 May, 2022 at 9:49 am

   Hmm so the RCC is going fully woke? Wonder what happens after that?

   In other breaking news CL is now protestant in all but name 😉

   Hehe you know it’s true – and of course fully understandable.
7. C.L. says:

   30 May, 2022 at 10:04 am

   You’re confused, Chris.
   These fashions ARE protestantism.
8. Not Trampis says:

   30 May, 2022 at 10:18 am

   The mass was never biblical so this addition would be appropriate.
9. C.L. says:

   30 May, 2022 at 10:26 am

   Homer, last week you were ignoring the sixth commandment and backing abortion.

   This week, you’re an expert on the Bible.

   Please, hey. Pipe down.
10. Wyndham Dix says:

    30 May, 2022 at 10:31 am

    We need to remind ourselves that we are all ephemeral tenants on planet Earth, beneficiaries of a great Providence.

    I suppose it unchivalrous to direct attention to the teaching of God’s word on qualifications for church leaders – episkopoi and diacone – and male headship generally. As with the world at large, so with the church, it attempts to mix oil and water. We shall have one or the other, not an amalgam. Only one is in keeping with universal law.
11. jrm says:

    30 May, 2022 at 10:31 am

    The Australian wouldn’t publish my comment. It was this.

    Can anyone imagine Jesus starting his Sermon on the Mount by using the form of words recommended at indigenous.gov.au and saying ‘I begin today by acknowledging the Canaanite people, Traditional Custodians of the land on which we today, and pay my respects to their Elders past and present. I extend that respect to Canaanite peoples here today.’ I can’t.

    Don’t know what’s wrong with that.
12. jrm says:

    30 May, 2022 at 10:32 am

    … Traditional Custodians of the land on which gather/meet we today, …
13. bollux says:

    30 May, 2022 at 10:39 am

    The national groveling act marches on and grows apace.
14. C.L. says:

    30 May, 2022 at 10:47 am

    Good point, JRM.

    The words “let the dead bury their dead” come to mind.
15. a reader says:

    30 May, 2022 at 11:20 am

    I want to know how we pay tribute to emerging elders. If they’re not already in existence, how we can sanctify ourselves before them?

    The latest version in universities (even in the less woke than the other Sydney Unis UNSW) is that is unceded territory of the XYZ people.
16. Not Trampis says:

    30 May, 2022 at 11:44 am

    the death was once for all. It makes the mas an abomination bit then then Catholics do not know that bible that is why they are Catholics.
    you are the fool who supports abortions’ even in incest , rape and when the unborn baby is killing the mother. The ten commandments does not even co\me into it.
17. Fat Tony says:

    30 May, 2022 at 11:47 am

    All that’s going on in the world today is going to cause the destruction of the West, at least, but probably everything.

    Only then will the world (people, not “Gaia”) be able to build anew. It’s a bit like the SFL – not redeemable, so will need to be destroyed to allow something new to flourish.

    For this to happen, there will be world-wide misery, suffering and many deaths, but it seems now that this will be the only way. The world got to this stage where too many useless people managed to get nice, high-paying non-productive jobs, and promptly started to build the world in their own (useless) image .
18. Boambee John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    The trainer of apprentice bank tellers is now a theological polymath? Dream on!

    PS, Even by your low standards, the sentence construction, punctuation and spelling in your comment at 1144 is atrocious.
19. NoFixedAddress says:

    30 May, 2022 at 12:28 pm

    What a great idea, with acknowledgement surely delivered by taking a knee, BLM style.

    Add Australia to the list of countries with persecuted Christians.

    Will Albanese and Wong be sending around the thought police to arrest dissidents of underground Churches as their hero Emperor Xi does or will Catholic Churches be burnt to the ground in the Nigerian style?
20. Fat Tony says:

    30 May, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    Will Albanese and Wong be sending around the thought police to arrest dissidents of underground Churches as their hero Emperor Xi does or will Catholic Churches be burnt to the ground in the Nigerian style?

    NFA – embrace the power of “and“
21. NoFixedAddress says:

    30 May, 2022 at 12:51 pm

    NFA – embrace the power of “and“

    May as well go the whole slaughtered hog!
22. jupes says:

    30 May, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    I want to know how we pay tribute to emerging elders.

    Make it easier for them to burgle your house and steal your car.
23. Franx says:

    30 May, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    Not Trampis
    Really, you should by now have come to realise that your repetitive comments about abortion stand refuted. As for your newly-minted comment that the Mass is not biblical, well, if you bothered to investigate, you might also come realise that the Mass is in essence a biblical liturgy, both in terms of the Hebrew Scriptures as well as those of the New Testament. You could check, beginning with Exodus.
24. Boambee John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    Franx

    You could check, beginning with Exodus.

    Non Mentis (he of no mind) never, ever, offers actual evidence to support his assertions. Nor will he ever look at real evidence that contradicts those assertions.
25. Not Trampis says:

    30 May, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    except he died once and for all.

    my statements on abortion have not been refuted at all. If you are mad enough tobelieve an unborn child who is killing your wife should continue to do so then you have never been married. That is a mere start.
26. Lee says:

    30 May, 2022 at 4:25 pm

    If you are mad enough tobelieve an unborn child who is killing your wife should continue to do so then you have never been married.

    So we should have bad or evil laws because of extremely rare circumstances?
27. Boambee John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 4:43 pm

    Non Mentis

    Which death are you babbling on about?
28. C.L. says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    Trampo, two things:

    1) the Mass was instituted by Christ Himself. It’s mentioned in the New Testament.
    2) unborn babies cannot “attack” mothers or anyone else. Attack, harm, assail, hurt or assault – these are words implying will and intent. An unborn child is incapable of will or intent. An unborn child is absolutely innocent. To say that a baby “attacking” its mother may licitly be killed is therefore founded on a wilfully dishonest and ridiculous premise. In pregnancies that become dangerous for the mother owing to clinical complications, everything that can be done for the mother must be done and if – in doing those things – the baby dies, no moral crime is committed. But to conclude the mother’s death from those complications is inevitable and that the child must therefore be killed is always grossly immoral.

    Now, given that you’ve claimed expertise in Sacred Scripture, please direct me to the passages that prove that Our Lord Himself would counsel a physician to do what you’re suggesting.
29. John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    Australian Bishops are at war with clergy faithful to Christ’s teachings.

    About August last year, the Archbishop of Melbourne, Peter Comensoli, censored Fr. Mariusz Sokołowski, a Polish Chaplain to Melbourne’s Polish Catholics, for his then criticism of extending the then lockdown by another 10 days due to 20 cases of coronavirus infections.

    In his homily during a Polish language Mass in Keysborough, Fr. Sokolowski said: ”It is impossible to live like this! Insanity, nightmare, stupidity and terrible exhaustion. Australia, wake up, get down on your knees and go back to God! Australia, stop being a test country for the world’s covid politics!”

    Apparently, Archbishop Comensoli received an anonymous complaint relating to this. As a result, Archbishop Comensoli ordered Fr. Sokolowski to delete that Mass (televised to those who could not attend Mass because of COVID restrictions) from YouTube, delete all references in his social media and publicly apologise for his comments.

    Thus humiliated, Fr. Sokolowski has since, returned to Poland. And Australian Bishops are puzzled why there is a shortage of faithful priests in the country.
30. C.L. says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:36 pm

    And then there was the Archbishop of Brisbane, president of the Bishops’ Conference during the fake pandemic. He stipulated that all Brisbane archdiocesan employees had to be ‘vaccinated’ or be sacked. All of them. Groundsmen at schools, janitors, secretaries, priests. It was the ‘vaccine’ or no income for them and their families. An utter disgrace.
31. Lee says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    I saw a brief clip of a U.S. senate hearing the other day where a pro-abortionist trotted out the old abortion is excusable because of rape or incest.
    A senator then asked her, “well, then would you be in favour of abortion for those instances only?”
    The pro-abortionist was flummoxed and clearly extremely uncomfortable.
32. C.L. says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:54 pm

    Here’s that exchange between Catherine Forster and Maryland Democrat Jamie Raskin:

    Pro-Life mom ends the career of prominent Democrat Congressman on live TV in just under 10 seconds:

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1527458543733035016
33. John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    Australian Bishops are at war against faithful, practicing Catholics.

    In Australia, currently the Bishops have convened something called a Plenary Council. In this, The Bishops have appointed leftists disgruntled with Church tradition, to advise them how the Catholic Church can become more inclusive and modern. As expected, Marxists (whom I wouldn’t be surprised if they have never been to confession) have recommended a woke agenda, which would result in Priests blessing evil and condemning virtue. This has been seriously accepted for discussion, to pander to inclusivity.

    But the farce is, in the spirit of inclusivity, brazenly, the Bishops publicly approved early last year, to muzzle comments from the Plenary Council’s Facebook Group, of people alarmed at the evil and anti-Catholic direction in which this Plenary Council was being driven.
34. Boambee John says:

    30 May, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    John

    In Australia, currently the Bishops have convened something called a Plenary Council. In this, The Bishops have appointed leftists disgruntled with Church tradition, to advise them how the Catholic Church can become more inclusive and modern.

    Those from the Old Cat, didn’t Numbers claim some involvement with the Plenary Council?
35. Lee says:

    30 May, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    Here’s that exchange between Catherine Forster and Maryland Democrat Jamie Raskin:

    Pro-Life mom ends the career of prominent Democrat Congressman on live TV in just under 10 seconds:

    That was what I was thinking of, C.L., except that I forgot that it was the (Democrat) senator who was pro-abortion, not the other way around.
36. Not Trampis says:

    31 May, 2022 at 10:24 am

    no the Lords Supper was instituted by Jesus. It replaced the passover for obvious reasons.
    As Jesus dies once for all the mass is unbiblical.

    no baby is innocent. Have you not read the psalms let alone the NT.

    A baby in the womb is more than capable of killing its mother if the husband is sick enough to enable it.

    However it should be emphasised abortion in terms of rape, incest or the baby killing its mother are all quite rare. They are not the rule. Most choices for abortion can be put down to lifestyle. Can’t afford to have the kid, I want to work etc

    This can be avoided by not having sex until you are married.
37. John says:

    31 May, 2022 at 3:30 pm

    I like this Bishop.