Old King Coal

What we really need to do is to have the coal power stations come back online, because that is the missing piece in the puzzle right now…”

– Mr Albanese was right. Resources Minister Madeleine King confirms the climate wars are over. The Labor Party lost.

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32 Responses to Old King Coal

  1. Shy Ted says:

    Must have worked out a union angle.

  2. Boambee John says:

    Shy Ted

    The “union angle” is that coal workers pay more for union dues than unskilled solar panel cleaners ever will.

  3. NoFixedAddress says:

    How Dare You!

  4. Not Trampis says:

    no old son you lost comprehensively.

    The coal fired power stations are out because ,wait for it, 30% of their units have broken down.
    They are unreliable and very expensive. If only we had renewables supplying us with most of our electricity. We need not worry about those very expensive fossil fuels!!

    good to see you as innumerate as ever.

    It takes someone very special not to even understand what the mister was talking about.

  5. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    They are unreliable and very expensive.

    They have been made unreliable by government action, and made (deliberately) very expensive by being forced to subsidise “too cheap to meter” ruinables.

    If only we had renewables supplying us with most of our electricity.

    We might, on a good day, have power for up to ten hours.

    When are you going to take up my challenge to go fully “renewable” in your personal domestic circumstances? Solar cells on the roof, EV in the garage, battery out the back. The cut yourself off from the grid, and live the dream. Get yourself weaned off those “unreliable and very expensive” coal powered generators, save the planet.

    If it is not possible to go fully “renewable” in a single household, it certainly is not possible on a national basis.

  6. Mantaray says:

    None of this is a worry….

    Never had a black-out nor brown-out caused by deliberate lack of supply. HAVE had a various days and weeks without electricity following cyclones in Oz…and overseas following earthquakes now and then. Nothing to fret about since a portable gas cooker, a transistor radio, a head-lamp and some warm clothes is all you really need. Some non-perishable food in tins and packages and all will be well.

    Sure, a generator comes in handy if you’re a wuss who needs more than this, I suppose….but geez guys what is the big deal?

    BTW: Here’s the tip….go to bed early, and nothing much will matter when the power is off. Get up early and do what you have to do. All a storm in a tea-cup!

  7. NoFixedAddress says:

    Manta and Mentis

    The dynamic duo powering cow farts!

  8. Rossini says:

    Oviously you haven’t spoken to dan the man for his thoughts on coal!

  9. Entropy says:

    NT ad M
    Industry thanks you for voting for unreliable energy supply. And giving them the impetuous to move to countries that aren’t so stupid.

  10. Tel says:

    Nothing to fret about since a portable gas cooker, a transistor radio, a head-lamp and some warm clothes is all you really need.

    There are still a select handful of Australians who work for a living. A dwindling number I admin, but we should not entirely be ignored … someone has to do it.

  11. Ed Case says:

    The “union angle” is that coal workers pay more for union dues than unskilled solar panel cleaners ever will.

    The Union Angle is a Billion Dollars a week of compulsory Super in their accounts every week.
    Soon to increase another 20%.
    Westacott and McManus are back in the saddle.

  12. Not Trampis says:

    Idiot time again.
    subsidies have no effect on costs. They can affect the profitability. Renewables simply have much lower costs than coal fired power stations.
    No they have ALWAYS been unreliable. They have units have broken down all the time.
    It is why AEMO always warn about potential black outs every summer. They are always wary of just how many units will break down
    The climate wars are indeed over and coal has shown it lost bigtime. That happens when you are both totally unreliable and costly

    Whoopsy the industry funds do not pay unions any money from their funds at all to any organisation. The confusion is caused by some Union board members who donate their payments for being on the board back to the union.

  13. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    The usual idiocy.

    subsidies have no effect on costs. They can affect the profitability. Renewables simply have much lower costs than coal fired power stations.

    The do indeed affect profitability. Would ruinables be profitable without subsidies? If so, why are they subsidised? Perhaps as a means of making their competition unprofitable?

    No they have ALWAYS been unreliable.

    Crap, whereas ruinables by their very nature will always be unreliable.

    Whoopsy the industry funds do not pay unions any money from their funds at all to any organisation.

    Completely missed the point, which was about membership dues. For someone supposedly with financial expertise, you really are incompetent.

  14. Buccaneer says:

    Yeah, they’ve always been unreliable, that’s the reason SA is the only state with a published routine for load shedding. Must be those unreliable diesel generators they had to sneak in.

  15. Not Trampis says:

    oh dear more idiocy.

    Renewables are far less costly that unreliable coal fired power stations. subsidies have nothing to do with it.

    Actually we know how many times units in unreliable coal fired power stations break down. They are very reliable in breaking down. Usually it is more likely in summer than winter. But keep on lying.

    now The Union Angle is a Billion Dollars a week of compulsory Super in their accounts every week doesn’t meant that but union dues. Only a moron could believe that rubbish.

    How is it that SA is a net energy exporter. how is it the ACT does not call on other states to help them out.

    The current problem is due to highly unreliable coal fired power stations having units break down. Deplorables love unreliable and expensive power. Elitist and ignrance in one hit!

  16. Buccaneer says:

    I wonder how unchanged produce gets discarded every time they have to activate their planned load shed in SA because the unreliable renewable power can’t cover their requirements and people have to throw out stuff from their freezers. Better count those methane emissions from the wasted food…

  17. twostix says:

    Trampis, in the final great Boomer Samson Option, in one last giant cosmic FU to we that follow, is deadset on blowing up the ultra-reliable, ultra-cheap electricity system his parents gifted us all, that he gorged like a pig at a trough at for 70 years and which produced the unlimited material wealth and comfort that he enjoyed his whole life while letting it fall into decay and disrepair.

    “You won’t be needing this!” he spitefully cries as his boney limbs fail him and he realises, astounded and contrary to popular belief in his circles for the last 50 years, history won’t be ending with them after all.

  18. Not Trampis says:

    Hey Buccaneer you might ponder also why the State is a net exporter rather than importer.

    coal fired power stations had a cost of around $30 MH/h in the 60s. It is now well over $40 and going further upwards because of rising coal prices thanks to Putin and unit breaking down regularly. Solar for example is well on its way to being $30 in 2025. That is 5 years ahead of what Ross Garnaut thought it might get to and most people thought he was optimistic.
    One might examine when companies really bought into renewables. It was when their costs fell dramatically.

    Lastly when companies make a false stement to the ASX they can be prosecuted. Guess what they all closed down coal fired power station because of their rising costs!

  19. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    Renewables are far less costly that unreliable coal fired power stations. subsidies have nothing to do with it.

    You really should have studied harder at pre-school, then you might be able to understand plain English.

    The subsidies improve the profitability of ruinables, and increase the cost of coal generation. I ask again, if ruinables are so cheap, why are they still being subsidised?

    Actually we know how many times units in unreliable coal fired power stations break down.

    Actually we know how few hours of the day that ruinables can deliver power. Statistically, between 20 and 30%. Do coal generators fail that often?

    now The Union Angle is a Billion Dollars a week of compulsory Super in their accounts every week doesn’t meant that but union dues.

    I realise that you will still not comprehend what I wrote, but I will repeat is so that others can understand the depth of your illiteracy.

    Boambee John says:
    8 June, 2022 at 11:05 am
    Shy Ted

    The “union angle” is that coal workers pay more for union dues than unskilled solar panel cleaners ever will.

    I did not mention super contributions, moron.

    How is it that SA is a net energy exporter. how is it the ACT does not call on other states to help them out.

    Go check the AEMO numbers for SA. The ACT does not call for support because it is permanently joined to the NSW grid. Its “energy self-sufficiency” consists of buying indulgences from ruinable generators far away. If they indulgences do not deliver, the ACT still gets its power.

    Hey Buccaneer you might ponder also why the State is a net exporter rather than importer.

    Prove your assertion with actual numbers.

    coal fired power stations had a cost of around $30 MH/h in the 60s. It is now well over $40 and going further upwards because of rising coal prices thanks to Putin and unit breaking down regularly.

    Tel has responded to this elsewhere. You are an economic and financial imbecile.

  20. Buccaneer says:

    Whether or not a state network can export electricity when everything is working well has nothing to do with the network’s overall reliability. To be really blunt, because you NM are really obtuse, SA has no coal or gas fired power stations. The ones you call unreliable. Aside from the diesel they pretend not to have, it’s all renewable. According to you they should have the most reliable network in reality they have to publish who will have an outage next time their unstable network falls over.

  21. Old Lefty says:

    Mugged by reality is the cliche, I think, that applies to Mr Bowen and Ms King.

    An ABC reporter will have to make a grovelling self-criticism before the politburo of the ABC worker Soviet, by the way. One reported today that a plan similar to Bowen’s promoted by the Morrison government was vetoed by the Hunchback of Spring Street and his allies in other Labor states because it didn’t rule out coal. An inconvenient truth?

  22. Not Trampis says:

    idiot said ‘ Completely missed the point, which was about membership dues. For someone supposedly with financial expertise, you really are incompetent.’
    Except the other idiot was talking about super contributions!

    Oh Tel has responded has he. that is the bloke who does not know what occurs to companies who makes false statements to the ASX.

    for petes sake you clowns have no idea of the difference between base load nd dispatchable power even when you print out a definition.

    The crisis is power is due to the massive rise in coal and gas dur to Putin invading Ukraine. electricity has problems because of 30% of units in coal fired power stations have broken down AGAIN!
    all you clowns can do is deny the obvious.

  23. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    idiot said ‘ Completely missed the point, which was about membership dues. For someone supposedly with financial expertise, you really are incompetent.’
    Except the other idiot was talking about super contributions!

    It says much about your low level of literacy that not only were you not capable of writing sentences that make clear to whom you are addressing your response, you still managed to mix the comments up.

    for petes sake you clowns have no idea of the difference between base load nd dispatchable power even when you print out a definition.

    Sez the fool who couldn’t understand the definitions, and remains completely confused on the subject.

    he rest of your comment is the usual deceptive alarmist propaganda, with no relationship with reality.

  24. Buccaneer says:

    NM, why do you come here, it’s an anonymous blog. The only way you actually win arguments is to provide talking points that can be backed up with evidence. Something you never provide. Empty assertions are easy to check, just repeating the same dribble over and over really doesn’t convince anyone, particularly when evidence has been posted that you are mistaken.

    If you think you’re upsetting anyone here, I have a bridge to sell you. No fact bullshit like the kind you peddle just makes me feel happy you’re such a nonce.

  25. Tel says:

    … coal fired power stations had a cost of around $30 MH/h in the 60s.

    Remember back on 8 June, 2022 at 9:39 am this same guy said:

    Their costs have increased substantially. Way back in the 70s their costs were about $30MW/h. now it is well over $40 and rising due to coal prices and units regularly breaking down.

    So when was it? The 60’s or the 70’s? Who cares … because he makes it up as he goes along and changes the story when he can’t remember what he said last time and is way too lazy to check anything.

    Oh Tel has responded has he. that is the bloke who does not know what occurs to companies who makes false statements to the ASX.

    Which company? Where?!? Name one.

    Homer … you are flailing around, clutching at straws unable to show the slightest sign of intelligent response. What the heck is MW/h supposed to mean? What does the ASX have to do with the wholesale market in electricity?

    No one is impressed by your blustering … at least pay attention enough to get your talking points straight … and learn something about how electricity is bought and sold.

  26. Not Trampis says:

    Hey bozo guess what costs did not change a lot from the 60s to the 70s.

    You said alinta made a false statement to the ASX. That statement was about why they closed their coal fired power station. duh
    Lets face it Tel you have no idea as you have shown in your answer.
    in fact it is embarrassing.

  27. Boambee John says:

    Ho, hum, the scratched record is still stuck in the same track. Not even aware of his own stupidity, he just keeps babbling on.

    Should have tried harder at pre-school, might even have learned to read.

  28. Tel says:

    You said alinta made a false statement to the ASX. That statement was about why they closed their coal fired power station. duh

    That’s a filthy lie, I never said any such thing. Link the comment where I supposedly made said claim … you can’t because it never happened.

    Should have tried harder at pre-school, might even have learned to read.

    He doesn’t need to read, he just makes stuff up.

    He invented his own branch of Physics where they measure energy in MW/h.

  29. Boambee John says:

    Tel

    At this point, it is likely that Non Mentis will abandon this thread for another. This happens when he is challenged with a question he cannot avoid.

  30. Not Trampis says:

    Listen bozo you said the coal fired power station in SA was closed because of LRET. alinta owned it and said otherwise. another example of not having a clue of what you are writing about.

    so you have no idea of how to compare costs , have no idea that public companies own the assets in the wholesale market ( except in Qld).

    It aint a measure of energy. Try reading the old finkel report and you might find out what it is all about. That is if you can read.

  31. Tel says:

    I said in general that LRET made coal fired power in Australia unprofitable … which is correct. By law, any power produced with coal requires additional purchase of la​rge-scale generation certificates (LGCs) in order to be distributed to consumers. These certificates represent a price transfer mechanism.

    http://www.cleanenergyregulator.gov.au/RET/About-the-Renewable-Energy-Target/How-the-scheme-works/Large-scale-Renewable-Energy-Target/

    You can easily read about how it works.

    All the rest of the connections to Alinta and the ASX were invented inside your own head … and that’s why no one has any idea what you are talking about.

  32. Boambee John says:

    Tel

    I note that Non Mentis failed to provide a link, which you required.

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