The voice to parliament is not a third chamber. It would only advise the parliament, which could accept or reject its advice. The voice would not be able to propose, amend or reject legislation, nor would it scrutinise every bill or motion. The voice would only strengthen parliament’s mandate to make laws.
It is a conservative idea in that it would create an institution, constitutionally enshrined, to channel practical advice to politicians. It would be an act of recognition and reconciliation whereby the parliament listened to Indigenous Australians, the first sovereign nations of this continent, and empowered them to advise how to close the gap on health, housing, education, employment, justice and safety.
The idea that Parliament doesn’t currently have a mandate to make laws, that it has never had one and can only attain one via “magic negro” rubrics is straight from the ‘mind’ of Lidia Thorpe. Let me guess: Voice ‘advice’ would be that More Needs To Be Done (meaning more money needs to be spent). If I’m wrong, Bramston is free to explain how first “nations” voices will sharpen monetary policy, rein in the deficit, improve the mathematics curriculum, solve the housing crisis and build a nuclear submarine. Let’s hear it, Troy. Don’t be lazy and don’t be cute. Tell us.
He isn’t nicknamed Mavis for nothing.
Isn’t it nice to pretend that parliament can reject the voice without being labelled racists…
Troy Bramston is a fuckwit.
After the recent election, the number of MPs claiming to be indigenous seems to be pretty close to their share of the population. It therefore seems that a “voice” already exists.
The solution proposed seems more like an attempt to constitutionally enshrine apartheid in Australia, with a small minority having superiority over others. When such a solution was proposed for indigenous Fijians over non-indigenous Fijians after one of the coups there, the so-called “progressive’ left in Australia and elsewhere were outraged. Not so much now.
Proportionally there are roughly as many aboriginal MPs in Federal Parliament as there are aboriginal people in the population. Yet aboriginal people in many places are living in abject misery.
Will a Voice improve their lot? I don’t think so, since the Voice is a lefty initiative and it’s the Left that has led aboriginal people into that misery.
How about fixing the problems first? It’d be nice, I’d like that.
err the advice they would give would be specifically to do with first nations people but you knew that surely
Not Trampis, please give an example of Commonwealth legislation specific to Aboriginal and TSI people which is not currently subject to exhaustive consultation with them.
I remember that.
There was zero sympathy for the “indigenous Fijians” from the hypocritical left then, but they didn’t mind the country being well and truly taken over by non-indigenous Indians and other Asians.
If “the voice” (what is this fresh hell?) has no power to do anything, then why does it need to be enshrined in the constitution.
Ah I see, unable to secure government in Canberra for the bugman political left have decided they’re going to build a whole new unelected parallel government and run the country from there.
If priority order is given to people based on how long they’ve been here, then the “second ” nations people, the people who actually built this increasingly insane Jonestown like outpost on the bottom of the world and created the Constitution and all the governments and cities, what do we get?
So it can be Brennan-vibed into a third chamber down the track.
Exactly
Three people walked into a bar in Townsville about 40 years ago to have a beer and listen to some live music together…. one was a brown skinned woman from the Cape York type area, another was a dark skinned bloke who was a real son of Kanaka type folk and me a white skin descendant of dumb “Black Oirish” types.
I am still not sure which of us had the better Voice but when a white skinned “bloke” who said he was a Mt Isa union rep tried to accost me you should have seen him scuttle off when the woman was going to belt him.
All 3 of us knew each others family stories and had respect for each other.
We had another beer and kept talking.
Non Mentis
err the advice they would give would be specifically to do with first nations people but you knew that surely
Err, and given that many “First Nations” people (a cultural appropriation from Canada) are fully assimilated into Australian society, exactly which matters do you believe would be excluded? And why?
Bramston wants people who don’t send their kids to school, don’t stop their kids (or their own) criminality, burn down their (issued) houses, neglect their children to the point that they sleep (and die) in garbage skips and shoot each other with cross bows to advise how to close the gaps mentioned above.
Parental responsibility would be a million times more effective than a ‘Voice to Parliament’, but hey, there’s no feeding at the trough in that. Plus it would be racist to suggest such a thing. We live in clown world.
Accidentally said the quiet part out loud … having a massive ego and genuine belief of being the smartest guy in the room makes it difficult to shut up about these things.
Cobblers … you don’t change the Constitution of a nation, unless you intend to re-constitute the government.
They can provide all the advice they want right now, same as any other lobbying group.
Australians don’t want two grades of citizenship.
There was no National Constitutional Convention in 2017 either, that’s an out and out lie.
If they aren’t even willing to be honest about that then you can safely presume none of this is legit.
Isn’t everything in the suite of public policy relevant to Aborigines?
Isn’t it racist to suggest otherwise?
To call small groups of stone-age nomads nations is to abuse the English language.
The 2 people I mentioned in that real actual story above loathed their dark skin because they were identified with dysfunctional Australian Aboriginals.
I laughed at the Kanaka bloke, and he and I had many different talks together over a 3 month period when I was in Townsville, because he said wasn’t so bad for our folk to come and work here to create the sugar cane fields because we found the gold and emeralds and still know where to find.