It’s only a ‘sign of the times’ when you agree with it: Vote on women throws Plenary into crisis.
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“A statement from the Australian Catholic Bishops’ media office late on Wednesday said that in the first afternoon session, a majority of Members backed a motion to reconsider the two motions from Part 4 of the Council’s Motions and Amendments document.
A four-person writing group has been established to receive recommendations from Members for the drafting of revised motions. The new motions are expected to be considered later in the week.”
Is this along the EU lines of repeated voting until the “correct” result is achieved?
Yes.
It seems that to many minds, including clergy, the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, written 3,500 to 2,000 years ago, is decreasingly the inspired word of God and increasingly a mere cultural document of those times.
At some future time are we to see the church deny God as Father and Jesus as his Son?
How many more changes before the church decays to dissolution? It will not survive by making itself more worldly. In the world, yes, of the world, no.
Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
The Australian hierarchy is a disgrace.
The Australian hierarchy is a disgrace.
Absolutely. Even Bishop Columba, who welcomed specifically Traditional Carmelite Nuns into his diocese and spoke movingly on their installation as an answer to a longstanding prayer, seems to have gone over to the dark side. But I could be wrong – it could be the way the clip is cut. I’m holding out for him.
But the rest? Disgraceful. Action, action, action! Storm your local ordinaries with protests and rosaries.
Bishop Macbeth-Green was one of seven Australian bishops who publicly declared their intention to continue to allow Tridentine Masses in their dioceses.
I love the guy. He’s one of the most prayerful people I’ve met. And he just loves the Traditional Mass and the communities it begets. He’s also a very good friend of aboriginal people who predominate in his diocese of Wilcannia-Forbes, – as, of course he should be.
Actually, there’s a very good fit between aborigines and the Tridentine mass. They understand it intuitively. Here’s an instance supplied by Fr Peter Hearn, M.S.C.
“At the funeral Mass of Bishop O’Loughlin in 1985, the Tiwi singers began the traditional chant from the old Latin Mass for the Dead, the Dies Irae. It was unscripted, not in the official booklet. The assembled bishops and clergy and religious took up the singing with them. It is a long chant, and one by one the bishops and others began to drop out of the singing as memories failed. But not the Tiwis—they sang it to the very end.”
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Cleary the Holy Spirit has spoken, but as usual with the plenary council lot, they will continue with voting ballots until they achieve their aims. The outcome of this farcical council was already determined 3 years ago. This current process is just theatre.
The sooner these loud-mouthed entitled egotistical vacuous aging novus ordo female hippies die off, the better it will be for the Church.
Gab
Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think of them.
And the world in general.
I don’t remember voting for any of the professional Catholics to represent me on the Plaintive Council.
No doubt most of them are variations on a numerical theme.
Could they all please go and join the Uniting Church, a perfect fit, I’m certain.
I’ll also willing to wager many of these professional Catholics will prevaricate about abortion and euthanasia with their usual weasel wordering.
The deacons thing is just opening the first door to priestesses.
We see you.
rosie
No doubt most of them are variations on a numerical theme.
I seem to recall that the numerical pest did babble on about his involvement with the Plenary Council a few times.
Indeed we do. I’m preparing some thoughts on the ‘council’ which I hope to post at the weekend if I can find the time.
Thumbs up to all the comments above.
We have a Pope who has fled the reservation, and yet these idiots, with their gutless Bishops, are contemplating their navels, and being “welcomed to country”, and congratulating themselves for “listening to the Spirit”.
What a load of cr*p.
I forgot to add about the Aborigines:
Paul Collins was clean bowled by an elderly aboriginal woman in the 1990s on the ABC “Religion Report” in the early 1990s.
Collins: “You’ve seen a lot of changes in the Church in your lifetime.”
Elderly aboriginal woman: “Yeah. They took away the Latin. We’ll never forgive them for that.”
Credit to Collins for allowing that to go to air.
Many on the Council are not even Catholic, as invitations were also directed to non- Catholics for their input.
From 2021
How have we, as a Church, come to the point of assuming that the answer to many of our problems is to ordain women? asks Dr Renee Kohler Ryan.
And another, published yesterday
The Plenary’s agenda must be exposed
Thanks, Rosie. Am working on an essay about synodalism – which I regard as a heresy.
Sandy Wallace nails it.
Great work from Pip Martyr too throughout the plenary farce.
As in times of old, it has been a few brave women telling the bishops to start behaving like men. That’s very interesting.
An eastern rites brother attacked the Sandy Wallace article on a twitter account I follow. Because synodalism works fine in the east, apparently, ho hum.
I’ve been venting spleen at the Marxist Choristers by sending out smart Alec #plenaryCouncil tweets, no-one will take any notice still it pleased me to do it..
And also apparently there is ‘no meaningful obstacle’ to priestesses. St John Paul didn’t know what he was talking about.
Neither did Jesus, apparently. He called and sent 12 apostles – sent ones – all men.
My wife was educated by Catholic women who had a ministry that was stable, commissioned by the bishop, publicly recognised as such & supported with proper spiritual formation and so on.
They were called nuns.
Exactly Roger.
Those that see no value in traditional women’s roles as mothers, as religious women, are the ones who must have priestesses.
Rosie
+1
The career of motherhood is that which all others serve, without exception. CEOs, doctors, lawyers, tinkers, tailors, soldiers, sailors, priestesses even, et al, come and go but motherhood is the sine qua non of our earthly existence.
I would still fight the fires of hell to defend the girl I first courted 64 years ago, later to become wife, full-time mother, grandmother and great-grandmother.