Shut up, Troy Bramston explains: Establish a voice, and let parliament sort out the details.
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Ah, journeys towards something or another; beloved of all manner of confabs, secular and sacred.
At the heart of this is the sheer anti democratic nature of the whole thing.
Because so many politicians have been prepared to stand up to accusations of racism. And that term is never used in pursuit of power.
Bramston is essentially right. There is no veto power. It aint a third chamber of power.
I am sceptical of changing the constitution however. I remember 1967
You don’t change the Constitution unless you are reconstituting how government operates … not a difficult concept.
Australia is a parliamentary democracy, and every Australian has a voice already. The main threats are the slowly encroaching loss of individual privacy and free speech.
Just be more pigs gorging themselves at the tax-payer trough.
Bramston’s argument is exactly the same as Pelosi’s “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
With the same level of childish naivety.
Sure, let’s give parliament a blank cheque!
Supporters of the Statement fundamentally misunderstand the nature of a bicameral parliament.
The proposed Voice would disenfranchise indigenous people. The white ‘progressive’ consensus that a self-perpetuating, self-serving indigenous elite speak for all indigenous people is a significant cause of indigenous disadvantage.
The Australian is fanatically supporting the Third Chamber.
Just as they fanatically supported Net Zero, lockdowns and Endess War with Russia.
A truly wacko newspaper these days. Judith Sloan is the last sane person standing over there.
when we recognised aborigines it didn’t change how government operates. That was one part of the 1967 referendum proposals despite all major parties supporting all proposals.. The only one that got up.
A fanatic charges that people who disagree with him are fanatics.
you could not make this up. does not
judith sloan a truly remarkable columnist. A person who claimed a long time ago the ALP government was not attempting budget repair until the kouk pointed out that none of her ‘figures’ came from budget documents. oops
Said Bernie Fraser was anc ALP hack and was soft on fiscal and monetary policy.
Fraser was Treasury secretary when Keating and Walsh put the budget into surplus and was RBA governor when he introduced an inflation target, put the cash rate to 18%. He also put up rates in 1995 to cut off inflationary expectations which Keating did not appreciate.
Easy to see why CL thinks so highly of Sloan. She is as inaccurate as he is
Keith Windschuttle today:
The Voice: Hiding its Content from Referendum Voters.
Homer, you wouldn’t know an Aborigine if you tripped over one.
Bernie Fraser an ALP hack? Perish the thought.
Bernie Fraser GetUp! activist.
The only reason they are hiding the details is because they are well aware that if the public knows them The Voice will be resoundingly voted down.
For a journalist, Mavis Bramston is curiously very incurious.
Trust a politician or the MSM?
Nah, definitely not.
ROFL
Bramston is essentially right. There is no veto power. It aint a third chamber of power.
Non Mentis is unaware of (or hopes that we are unaware of) the screeching harridans of the media and the whole indigenous “industry”. The first time that a democratically elected government (the latest iteration of which includes around ten indigenous “voices”) rejects one of the suggestions from an addirional Constitutionally entrenched “voice”, the noise will be heard beyond Mars.
Non Mentis
when we recognised aborigines it didn’t change how government operates.
That isn’t what indigenous activists and their historically ignorant white parasites say. According to them it was a new dawn.
I was born in bowraville your ignorant prat.
Please note our primary school drop out cannot even find a veto power. Why there is none. Nor can he show how in 1967 government operations changed.
Non Mentis
I was born in bowraville your ignorant prat.
Demonstrate your genius, tell us all where I was born? Such arrogance and stupidity, to never tell where you were born, then complain that others don’t know that petty detail.
No veto Power? You don’t know much about modern politics do you? Not all “veto” powers are written down.
I can write the referendum question now:
Tick the statement which expresses your opinion:
1. I want to do something nice for those poor aborigines
or
2. No, I’m a racist c__t
As many have stated here already, just wait for the sh!tstorm that erupts the first time a Coalition government politely declines to accept the ‘advice’ of the Voice. Then be sure to remind me ‘there is no veto’.
Never heard of it.
CL
Mid-north coast, inland of Nambucca Heads. Most [in]famous for a series of unsolved murders of local aborigines in the early 1990s.
Your assurances are about as credible as the gay lobby’s that gay marriage getting the go ahead would be the end of their activism.
Since then we’ve had the Rainbow lifestyle and now transgenderism rammed down our throats 24/7, even if we couldn’t care less.
not forgetting “The National Cabinet” instituted to deal with the dire emergency of the plague.
Well he got that right.
jupes
He certainly did get that right. The number of aborigineal”voices” in the current Parliament is roughly in line with their relative (inflated) representation in the population.
The 1967 referendum in Australia resulted in a substantial transfer of power away from the states and towards the Commonwealth … in terms of both collecting data about indegenous populations and ruling over the same people. Yes, of course it changed how government operates.
Is there anything you don’t get wrong? Should happen purely by accident at least now and then.
This is the spirit of the Uluru statement that in May 2017 invited Australians to walk together on a journey of reconciliation. It asked for the establishment of a representative Indigenous body that would advise the parliament on laws, policies and programs that affect Indigenous people and to enshrine this voice to parliament in the Constitution. It is not a revolutionary concept.
It is why the Uluru statement has majority public support according to opinion polls, and the backing of business organisations, trade unions, churches and faith groups, civic, sporting and charitable organisations and the legal community. It also has the support of every state and territory government, whether Labor, Liberal or Coalition.
Megan Davis, the Balnaves chair in constitutional law at the University of NSW and co-chair of the Uluru Dialogue, explained in The Weekend Australian (“A voice of recognition”, July 16-17) that the journey towards a referendum began over a decade ago with many processes of consultation and multiple reports published. The voice has been developed over “three key processes” since 2017.
So, The Voice is a revolutionary concept, it is confessed to be the slow growth pre-determined outcome of a Gramscian slow march.
It should be a reminder to us plebs to never trust the announcement of an enquiry, listening tour, consultation, summit, or “dialogue”.