Climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred.”
After all these years, Al Gore is still a lowlife
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Climate Change Zealots such as Gore and Thunberg have the extermination of Western Culture and European DNA on their hands. Call it Rassemord.
Oh the irony!
What a hypocritical POS Gore is.
He wants to depopulate so a mass shooting in a public school wouldn’t bother him at all, not like his kids would ever be in such a place.
But would never debate real climate scientists
And has made a fortune out of his climate b/s
If Al Gore told me that water is wet, I would suspect trickery. Notice how very quickly the Sri Lankan authorities have adapted the COVID codes on phones into a fuel rationing pass, to control who is allowed to drive anywhere. Clever little scam artists … the way they can so quickly pivot and recycle their failures.
Right across the world, we have governments simultaneously shutting down farms using “Climate Change” as the excuse for eliminating food production. Think about that for a moment … wheat and fertilizer shortages caused by war in the Ukraine and the government response is to make war against their own farmers. The logic being that Climate Change is a threat to humanity but Climate Change is also caused by humans enjoying their lives, therefore we must eliminate humans in order to save humanity as a whole (somehow, don’t ask me) and let’s list the things they have come up with: Pestilence, War and now an engineered Famine. Golly! I’ve heard of those guys before. Weirdly everything must be done by a deadline of 2030, and none of them can explain where that came from … because the climate that might, maybe be a tiny bit warmer each year is suddenly going to be a big problem in 2030.
What I don’t understand is how people like Gore intend to dodge the chaos that they created … sure they might blame it on Putin for short while, but that ain’t gonna work for long.
This is worth a read, we all know Trampo doesn’t know how to use links, he would benefit the most from this.
Buccaneer
Notice that all the klimate terrorists demand is “Reduce carbon (sic)”. Never any mention of adaptation. The stupid fools lack the intelligence to work out how to adapt, they can only demand dictatorial powers for them to impose their “vision” on everyone else.
Gore is right. climate deniers adopt a boiling frog strategy but they are too stupid to see it.
Didn’t read the link again, just the same rote every time. Perhaps it’s a teleprompter, maybe Trampo is just a caged parrot. Polly want a cracker?
Non Mentis
The “boiling frog” strategy is typically leftist. Stop looking in the mirror
Not Trampis is correct. As I said on another thread, England having 40 degree days has already been dismissed as unimportant. Within 5 years, the all time records will be broken by another 1 to 2 degrees, and the old shoulders here will be shrugged again.
At the same time, flash floods will increase globally, glaciers and permafrost continue to melt, ancient forests burn, and culture warriors will still think there’s nothing significant going on, claiming things like “but scientist/commentator X in 1995 said Y, which was wrong – we can never trust anything about climate science again”. And “but Lefties say ‘men’ can be ‘women’ – ridiculous!” as if debates over definitions with a large social element is relevant to the physics behind the increasingly accurate understanding of greenhouse gases.
Your “experts” were always crank contrarians who wanted to interpret everything through a culture war lens – they are dying off and (have you noticed) are not being replaced. There is no thriving alternative school of scientific thought – because the contrarian position was wrong, and the evidence has shown this with ever increasing certainty.
But old culture war cranks don’t care – and don’t care about the state of the world to be delivered to their children. It is a disgrace that deserves condemnation.
And yet recording the second coldest day in 22 years in Brisbane is evidence of that global warming, right?
It’s called global warming for a reason.
Look, I know you won’t be convinced. It’s just that you’re wrong and are not interested in being educated out of your culture war defined position.
Preposterous
You still haven’t offered any evidence on whether and to what extent your “Global Warming” is anthropogenic (human caused) and catastrophic. Forget about the bland generalisations and gloomy forecasts, how about some actual measured (NOT modeled) evidence.
You might also give some thought to the strange fact that the BoM “homogenisation” process lowers the measured temperatures recorded in earlier times. To borrow from Professor Julius Sumner Miller, “Why is is so?”
I suspect that you are far too incurious to even consider these questions.
You clowns have been saying this for 30 years, you pounce on every possible weather extreme possible and when anyone says hold on a second the actual science says weather is not climate, you call them cranks or culture warriors.
Purging dissent doesn’t make you right, it just means you’re intolerant to finding the truth.
The truth is that if you were right, there would be no need to homogenise the data. We would have had no record cold temperatures anywhere.
The main reason that the only ones willing to put forward dissent to your broken thesis are closer to the end of their careers than the start is because idiots like you are so intolerant of dissent you have made it impossible to progress for people who don’t toe your ideological line in most walks of life. This will end badly as it always does.
“Why is it so?”
To BJ and B:
“Look, I know you won’t be convinced. It’s just that you’re wrong and are not interested in being educated out of your culture war defined position.”
And further: your points have all been addressed in detail on the internet and elsewhere thousands of times.
Hand waves, you’ve been debunked on the internet. Right back at you buddy. That has to be the single dumbest argument I’ve ever seen. Given Trampo lives here, that is quite some achievement.
Preposterous
I invited Non Mentis to take up the Solar Challenge a day or so ago, making his house and car fully solar powered, and going off-grid. He declined, in part because he doesn’t think that batteries are economical. He didn’t comment on the option of an EV, probably for the same reason. Clearly, if a problem like cost keeps him from going fully renewable, he doesn’t share your alarmist fears about the next five years.
I now invite you to take the Challenge. Solar panels on your roof, battery (in a fire-proof enclosure), and an EV, and disconnect from the grid. Do you really believe what you write? If you do, then you will take the Challenge.
Prospero, you seem sincere and express yourself reasonably coherently, though stating that Non Trampis is correct is a hard premise to support. Nevertheless it is probably worth debating with you, since you do show some degree of intelligence. Unfortunately you seem to be informed by a humanities university education, which over many years has become warped with absolute political and ideological bias, and is not founded in the scientific method. I am guessing you have not had sufficient time and experience to practice real world investigation, and real world data, and how both method and information are compromised by political and financial imperatives. Its hard to think out of the box that they created by a lifetime of training and indoctrination. I simply don’t have time to go though each of your misapprehensions.
But I do respect you for taking on a number of different protagonists at the same time, even though you have the entire weight of the Establishment on your side. I suspect that courage may one day allow you to climb up over the edge and look out. It is a bit scary to go against all those peers and the overwhelming flow and sanctions of the System.
On the other hand your dire concerns are based on the same old mantras of the Left, most of which have been shown to be insupportable by real science. That is not to say they are disproven, but there is no real evidence to prove them, using the scientific method.
It is also interesting that you seem to be accusing the “crank contrarians” of the very things they have argued are the vices of the establishment. There is an axiom which has become almost law in modern times. Its this: Whatever the left accuses you of, is exactly what they are doing to you.
Preposterous
“Look, I know you won’t be convinced. It’s just that you’re wrong and are not interested in being educated out of your culture war defined position.”
Back at you, look in the mirror. You are wrong, and your position is defined by a “culture war”.
The global warmists predicted a drying trend for Eastern Australia, we were forced to build desalination plants at great expense … the details are in AR3. We were told not to build new dams, there’s no point, because the rain that falls will not fill the dams.
Then after those predictions turned out completely wrong, we have had three wet years in a row, and now they say, “Exactly what we expected, because Global Warming!” It’s not what they predicted, it’s the opposite of what they predicted but we are supposed to believe it because we get told to shut up if anyone asks questions.
They refuse to do maintenance in the National Parks, they won’t clear fire trails, they won’t do any fuel reduction, they won’t let property owners clean up the land either, then inevitably we get a hot day and it burns (well duh, dead sticks piled up always burn sooner or later) and they say, “There! Global Warming made it burn!”
Total and utter scam artists.
I’m happy to be convinced as soon as they get a few predictions right, and they can properly deliver a sensible and reproducible process for their adjustments. Why do they even need adjustments? Normal science does not adjust data.
https://australianclimatesceptics.com/?p=388
We still have never had a detailed and reproducible explanation for why Australia’s temperature in Darwin supposedly has gotten so much hotter, when anyway Darwin is tropical and even in theory there isn’t support for the idea that the equatorial region will warm up thanks to AGW. Most of the warmists running around the place don’t even understand that much … admittedly Darwin is not NOAA’s problem, but the BOM are even more secretive and mysterious about their calculation processes.
The only possible solution to the very non-culture-war ideology that’s 100% pushed by political forces and their lackey’s everywhere – global warming is to move to 100% nuclear energy.
If it were as they say, a “mass extinction event”. There is no other solution.
Yet that obvious technological solution is completely 100% off the table – and the only allowable solutions being offered being political seizure, mass taxation, and central command and control of the output of the few last remnants of the productive economy in european countries.
But yeah, we’re the ones playing a “culture war”.
That is the single most hysterical, hyperbolic, alarmist nonsense I have read on this or any other blog in a long time.
Is that you, Adam Bandt?
LOL.
Tim Flannery climate expert par-excellence categorically stated in 2009 – at the end of the drought, that there would not be any rain to fill dams anymore so none must be built.
Based on the CSIRO’s ‘advice’ to state governments saying the same, instead of building dams they built billion dollar desalination plants that never have been turned on. Based on similar Science! the QLD government stored excess water in Wivenhoe which flooded and destroyed half of Brisbane.
But this time, this time they’re right. Trust them.
Oh Prospero you are so behind the times!
UK could see temperatures of nearly 50C if we do not reduce carbon emissions – warning (24 Jul)
Fifty? Any advance on fifty? Sixty? Sold to the man with the second chakra for 60 degrees!
Well it would if it was actually happening.
It isn’t.
Of course you have to know what this dataset is, how it is measured, and why it shows that global warming isn’t happening, to work out that the terrestrial temperature records are luridly adjusted rubbish.
(I should update the graph, it’s getting a bit old. But if you go to the original dataset, which is given below it, you’ll see that nothing much is happening still.)
This Club of Rome climate scam is still getting mileage 50 years on, was a cooling scare back then of course. Marxists love it, don’t worry about the plethora of failed predictions and lack of science – the sky is falling!
Err Tel of corporate law knowledge fame the problem with dams is riverflow. The water is being taking away from somewhere.
autocorrelation Bruce is back with non sourced data again alleging something or other.
Every major central bank says there is global warming as does the OECD, IMF and world Bank.
Sophie Lewis and Andrew king quite some time ago examined Australian temperature and looked at record hot temperatures to record cold temperatures. If Bruce is right then there should have been little difference. The ratio was in fact 12: 1
That was only Australia
Non Mentis
Err Tel of corporate law knowledge fame the problem with dams is riverflow. The water is being taking away from somewhere.
Do you mean the oceans? Given the masses of water in the oceans, the petty amounts collected by dams are irrelevant.
autocorrelation Bruce is back with non sourced data again alleging something or other.
You remain too stupid to remember that the source has previously been provided.
Every major central bank says there is global warming as does the OECD, IMF and world Bank.
Are all of the bankers qualified atmospheric physicists?
Sophie Lewis and Andrew king quite some time ago examined Australian temperature and looked at record hot temperatures to record cold temperatures. If Bruce is right then there should have been little difference. The ratio was in fact 12: 1
Homogenised or non-homogenised records?
Science explicitly does not adjust observations to suit a narrative.
Well that does it then, the bankers tell us something is true and scientific, we must all kneel down to pray.
What happened to you lefties, you all used to hate the bankers the most…
Well naturally, because there are shiploads of renewable money in it for them.
As was always the case, follow the money.
As Buccaneer infers, it’s funny the left’s sudden love for banks.
Along with corporatism, Big Tech, and police heavy-handedness.
If they can’t own the means of production, they at least want to control it. And divide the spoils among the political and corporate controllers.
Just like Mussolini.
Central Banks do not make money except when printing it.
There is water from rain. It goes into a river. It either is allowed to go to riverflow or goes to a dam. Bad for the river if it goes into a dam when that river is having water taken away anyway. duh
The source was NEVER provided.
No but they have highly qualified statisticians who know whether the data is correct or not.
It doesn’t matter but the answer is obvious.
Good to know graveyards in Fiji are not being flooded by the ocean, nor are Russia eyeing greedily the resources in the artic previously unobtainable because of ice and snow, or temperature rising in Antarctica ( where windmills works but not in Texas when it snows) or even glaciers diminishing.
Non Mentis
There is water from rain. It goes into a river. It either is allowed to go to riverflow or goes to a dam. Bad for the river if it goes into a dam when that river is having water taken away anyway. duh
Add water tanks to your future self-sufficient house. You wouldn’t want to steal water from a river, would you?
No but they have highly qualified statisticians who know whether the data is correct or not.
Dumb even by your low standards. The statisticians can only look into the mathematics of the data processing. To know if the data are (Plural subject, might not have been covered before you failed pre-school.) correct, you need the work of a range of scientists, including atmospheric physicists, oceanographers, and chemists. Try again.
temperature rising in Antarctica
But still remains at minus a big number, not much ice melting going to happen there for a while.
You are a gullible idiot.
The clue would be in the title that Bruce put on there.
https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_area.php?ui_set=2&ui_sort=0
Took me about 30 seconds to find that … you could have put a tiny bit of effort into getting to know this material before you start typing. Then again, you do tend to struggle with fairly standard economic concepts such as price inflation, or standard electrical concepts such as measuring energy, power, and Capacity Factor.
In the case of Sydney it goes into Warragamba Dam first … then afterwards into the river … but why haggle over details when the big picture is missing?
We were told the water would not fill the dams … that’s why desalination plants were built … what part of this concept is challenging? When the IPCC reported in AR3 that the East Coast of Australia would be getting dryer, they indicated that rainfall and runoff would be reduced … hence not fill the existing dam … that was their prediction.
You might notice that dams can be built for both storage purposes and also flood control. The people of Brisbane do not actually want to see their houses washed into the bay, they wanted Wivenhoe Dam to serve it’s listed purpose as flood control. It’s neither good nor bad for the river, because rivers don’t think, they don’t have feelings, and they don’t care if they flood. The people living near the river do care … those are the people who were promised flood mitigation. People want stability, but the natural world is unstable … with wet years and dry years … therefore water storage provides an answer. Not so long ago, the Australian government was capable of understanding this.
Tel
You might notice …
Non Mentis notices nothing that interferes in any way with the preferred “narrative” that has seeped into the interstices between the lumps of concrete that occupy the space in his head usually occupied by a brain.
LOL. I even said the source is given below the graph, which it is. It’s the official data from Rutgers Snow Lab, who collect the satellite snow data. I downloaded the datafile at the time and replicated the graph in Excel.
All I have done is add a regression line, which the original graph doesn’t have. I did that to show the statistically nothing is happening. The snow line is not moving on average north or south, so there is no global warming. There may be some warming due to land use changes and urban heat islands but neither of these are CO2 related.
El Trampo suffers from selective url blindness
Many societies let the fanatical miscreants get away with much concerning tobacco/users. Anti-tobacco became the propaganda benchmark for demonizing a product/users. Many said, “Who cares, it’s just smokers”. Then the creeps started applying the “anti-tobacco blueprint” elsewhere. Sugar became the “new tobacco”. Alcohol became the new tobacco. Junk food became the new tobacco. Then the unvaccinated became the new smokers. Well it had to happen when fanatics are concerned.
Ban the Ads? Fossil fuels are “like Tobacco” say clueless bully marketers who use fossil fuels
‘Worse than tobacco’: Climate activists push for ban on fossil fuel ads
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/07/ban-the-ads-fossil-fuels-are-like-tobacco-say-clueless-bully-marketers-who-use-fossil-fuels/
We’ve been assaulted by Al Whore’s “catastrophe-fest” for years: We’ve long endured Big Al’s grating, sanctimonious crap. He is a self-aggrandising, avaricious pathological liar, one of Klaus’s buddies.
That is genius. non mentis is a genius after all. Like the Drill Sergeant told Forrest Gump.
I know this is getting a bit stale but this link below is worth looking at. Its a Facebook link, (sorry), but its only 50 seconds and its really good. Especially for mentis and prospero, but you will all laugh.
https://www.facebook.com/protectingcanada/videos/300701865551140/?extid=NS-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C-GK2T
I had to laugh.
‘Not science-based’: Bandt lashes Labor for ‘weak’ climate target* (26 Jul)
The minor party has used its bolstered parliamentary numbers to threaten to block Labor’s flagship Climate Change Bill which would enshrine its 43 per cent emission reduction target by 2030 as well as net zero emissions by 2050 into law.
The Greens leader said the target was “not a science-based” one and criticised the bill for lacking explicit obligations for future governments.
Well he’s got that right, but not in the way he thinks. In fact diametrically opposite to the way he thinks. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a leader who was actually based on science, instead of pagan mysticism like this current Federal lot.
(* Headline as it appears on the Sky News main page just now.)