Brave Torturers

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  1. Buccaneer says:

    She didn’t lose to Joe Biden

  2. Prospero says:

    Republicans spent a couple of decades obsessed with trying to prove Hillary Clinton was evil incarnate, and gullible dumbos believe the fake narratives that never went anywhere, as well as conspiracy theories over things during the campaign like her being on her last legs, health wise.

    She was the one who suffered electorally at the hands of the FBI due to Comey’s poor decision to talk as if she was still in serious trouble for email stuff in the days before the election. As I mentioned last week, I wouldn’t mind betting that if you polled MAGA types both here and in the USA, most would now think the “Russiagate” investigation was something that unfairly affected Trump before the election, when in fact it wasn’t public knowledge until after.

    Nonetheless, she won the popular vote by a substantial margin, didn’t promote an insurrection, and has been vindicated as to her calls as to what a shocking President Trump would make.

    There is no reason to think that the economic recovery that was well underway during the Obama years would not have continued, as she was essentially going to continue the same approach. As to how international events would have panned out – who knows? One thing that is a safe bet – she would not have dumped the Iranian deal which everyone with credibility declared was working, only to now have it more easily nuclear armed than ever before.

    She would also not have carried on like a prima donna about NATO, possibly leading to Putin being less adventurous in plans to go into Ukraine. [It is, of course, 100% clear that Putin helped Trump get elected because he knew an idiot ego like his could be readily manipulated into weakening Western unity. Putin got what he wanted, in spades.]

    As to what would have happened re China under Clinton – that is really pure speculation, as it is a bit of a puzzle as to whether China’s behaviour went more nationalistic and isolationist in response to Trump, or was going to go that way in any event due to whatever machinations work in the mind of Xi.

    All that is certain is that Trump is already judged by credible historians (and anyone with common sense) as the dumbest man ever in the job, who was the biggest risk to the democracy the country has ever seen.

  3. Buccaneer says:

    Perpo, nice work of fiction. The Dem supported and encouraged protests against Trump from the time he looked likely to win the primaries to well past his election. Including very violent riots. Clinton created and organisation in her words to resist Trump.

    Of course the economy just bounced right back when Biden made it to power to continue the Obama legacy.

    Somehow you give Biden a free pass on his posturing about admitting Ukraine to NATO, The fact is that it was the Bush, Clinton, Obama expansion of NATO that has Russia (not just Putin) upset as they were given an assurance NATO would not encroach on ex soviet territory. It’s beyond a stretch to think that Trump withdrawing funding would somehow provoke Russia.

    It doesn’t take a genius to work out that Xi’s behaviour change had little to do with overseas events and everything to do with his acquisition of permanent and total power at home.

    Gateway Pundit does not represent the universe of your opponents opinion.

  4. Prospero says:

    The Dem supported and encouraged protests against Trump from the time he looked likely to win the primaries to well past his election.

    Who would have guessed that there would be considerable protest wrt to a candidate who was on tape saying he could grab women by the pussy because he was rich.

    And who was vilifying and dehumanising illegal immigrants in the most obvious way (that stupid snake poem) since the Nazis ran with videos of Jews as rats bringing down the country.

    And who was happy to encourage chants about locking up his political opponent like any old tinpot dictator.

    Etc

    I’m so surprised that a large part of the population were appalled at the prospect of his election and protested.

  5. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    Russia’s reputation as a portrayer of war crimes.

    How does Russia “portray” war crimes? On TV, with actors? Or did you mean “perpetrator”?

    Illiterate nitwit.

    The most successful and best President of our lifetime.

    Also an accused rapist, who used his powerful position to suborn a young intern for sexual favours.

  6. Not Trampis says:

    Portray is accurate . I am describing the country as a country that regularly commits war crimes.
    You really should try and understand english.

    I do not think anyone belies Clinton is a rapist. An Adulterer quite clearly but rapist are rarely charmers.

    and yes Clinton will always be known for his indiscretion as President which will overshadow his many achievements.

  7. Boambee John says:

    Perverse Preposterous

    believe the fake narratives that never went anywhere

    ROFLMAO, this from a purveyor of dubious narratives and conspiracy theories.

  8. Buccaneer says:

    It’s amazing how people like prepo are not willing to directly quote things like the pussy grab comment. Instead verbal. The context was he was talking about celebrity and how women would let him grab them on the pussy. I suspect he was talking literally, but we all know that if this were Albo, you would be telling us it was hypothetical.

    How crap was Hilary that a guy who clearly has some significant personal skeletons that would have disqualified him in previous times beat her, in the end quite easily.

    How poor is it that you all defend the kiddy botherer Biden.

  9. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    Portray is accurate . I am describing the country as a country that regularly commits war crimes.

    Portray is accurate if you are describing Russia. However, your words were”\:

    Russia’s reputation as a portrayer of war crimes.

    You really should try and understand English.

    I do not think anyone belies Clinton is a rapist.

    More than one woman made the accusation, from his time as Governor of Arkansas. Whatever happened to “believe all women”?

    Clinton will always be known for his indiscretion as President

    Clinton’s “indiscretion” was physical, Trump’s was to be a blowhard (not in the sense that Clinton was).

  10. Prospero says:

    It’s amazing how people like prepo are not willing to directly quote things like the pussy grab comment. Instead verbal. The context was he was talking about celebrity and how women would let him grab them on the pussy. I suspect he was talking literally, but we all know that if this were Albo, you would be telling us it was hypothetical.

    Oh yes, now that you put it in context, I can see how the women (and decent men) of America should have understood it was unobjectionable….

  11. Prospero says:

    How poor is it that you all defend the kiddy botherer Biden.

    This is what the Right does now: invents fantasy narratives spun out of the slimmest of “evidence” about Democrats they don’t like and keeps repeating them so much they believe they must be true. Examples: the Clintons as mafia bosses who just get people who might harm them murdered; Obama and where he was born; his wife is a man; Hillary and Benghazi; Hillary has serious brain damage and was about to die; Biden is demented and has no idea what he is doing; Biden is a pedo.

    On the last one – yes, he is a touchy feely sort of man, with people of all kinds. Some men, particularly from some places (thinking Italians) are like that, and yes, it is not something that suits the modern concern about appearances of how men interact with children (or adult women, for that matter.)

    The narrative that it means he is sexually attracted to them is a disgusting invented slur of the Right that just shows how you built your own fantasy worlds and then live in them.

    In particular, that this has become a Right wing meme while defending a man who actually brags about how he can force himself on women due to his celebrity just shows partisan depravity.

  12. Not Trampis says:

    Portray or commit . you really should go back to ESOL. They regularly commit war crimes.

    Sure but as Gennifer Flowers said Bill is charmer and does not force himself on anybody.

    Unlike say Trump.

    I am not downplaying what Clinton did. It was disgraceful and will forever overshadow anything he did as President.
    you need those ESOL quickly.

  13. Boambee John says:

    Perverse Prosperous

    This is what the Right does now: invents fantasy narratives spun out of the slimmest of “evidence” about Democrats they don’t like and keeps repeating them so much they believe they must be true.

    The “evidence” is multiple videos of Creepy Joe sniffing the hair of young girls. It might be innocent, but it certainly appears odd.

  14. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    Portray or commit . you really should go back to ESOL. They regularly commit war crimes.

    That was the very point I made, when I said that you meant “perpetrate”. In your illiterate stupidity, you first doubled down on your error, and now have tripled down. You should have tried harder at pre-school.

    Sure but as Gennifer Flowers said Bill is charmer and does not force himself on anybody.

    Others disagree, particularly the one who was told to put some ice on a bruise after their “encounter”. But you keep doubling down, it highlights the issue.

    I am not downplaying what Clinton did.

    Referring to it as an “indiscretion” certainly looked as if you were indeed “downplaying” it. It was a gross abuse of the power of his position, for sexual gratification.

  15. Buccaneer says:

    Anyone can refer to the video tape on Biden, we all know why the FBI were so desperate to get back his daughter’s diary. You all stand on your petard about Trump but will stay quiet when people say, perhaps someone should point this stuff out. Or in your instance shoot the messenger.

    Hillary deliberately smeared many of Bill’s victims then tried to stitch up Trump (admittedly, not a difficult thing to do). No insight that perhaps she couldn’t claim the high ground.

  16. Not Trampis says:

    They might disagree but the accusations rarely had any credibility just like when Biden of all people was accused of rape.

    I guess you must believe all of trump’s rape accusations then.
    I originally said Clinton will always be know as the President who committed that indiscretion and not for any of his achievements. no-one but no-one could say that is downplaying anything.
    Clinton did not have any victims. They were all adults. They could have just said no.

    Just how did Hillary try ro stitch up Trump. She didn’t release the audio of him boasting of assaulting women.

  17. Buccaneer says:

    None of the allegations against Trump have been criminal allegations, they are all looking for a payout, which many of them have received.

    Biden on the other hand made sure his accuser wouldn’t be heard. A bit like Kathy Sherriff.

  18. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    They might disagree but the accusations rarely had any credibility just like when Biden of all people was accused of rape.

    Few of these allegations have credibility, but those against Bill C had more than most.

    President who committed that indiscretion

    Be honest for once. It was a gross act of perverse use of his political power. “Indiscretion” is a far softer word.

    Clinton did not have any victims. They were all adults. They could have just said no.

    Strange, matters of “power differential” have been a hot issue in relation to such events.

    Putting aside that at least one of his “non-victims” recounted that his “indiscretions” caused bruising that he recommended she put ice on.

  19. Lee says:

    Clinton did not have any victims. They were all adults. They could have just said no.

    Despite his notorious and well-known womanizing, Hillary defended her creepy husband in court by accusing a young (alleged) rape victim of being a “whore.”
    Isn’t that what the left calls “blaming the victim”?

  20. Not Trampis says:

    Trump has been accused of rape and that is a criminal matter.

    Have people problems with english. Clinton will always be known for Lewinsky. Just for example he won’t be known for getting the budget into surplus and paying off the reagan debt.
    I might add he deserves that. He thought he could get away with any indiscretion and he found out big time he could not.

    Sorry I might have missed a few but none of the allegations rang true.
    Hillary may or may not have said that but would not have been allowed to say that in court. So i think your story is apocryphal

  21. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    Sorry I might have missed a few but none of the allegations rang true.

    Let’s get this clear. You “might have missed a few”, but “none of the allegations rang true”. Does that include those you missed? Did you really understand the words as you typed them? Do you live in your own fantasy world where “your truth” trumps (ho ho) reality?

    Hillary may or may not have said that but would not have been allowed to say that in court.

    Whether she said it is different from the judge ordering it struck from the record after she said it.

  22. Lee says:

    Hillary may or may not have said that but would not have been allowed to say that in court. So i think your story is apocryphal

    Bullshit.
    She did, that was what so shocking.

  23. Buccaneer says:

    https://www.yourtango.com/2017307907/bill-clinton-sexual-assault-rape-allegations-list-women-timeline

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410

    I would prefer neither of these guys were ever in a leadership position. But looking at the two lists and how Hillary tried to marginalise the women and the seriousness of those situations. That might be why enough people held their noses and voted for Trump.

  24. Lee says:

    Defence lawyers and others have never accused alleged rape victims of virtually being whores or tried to blacken their reputations in court, whether or not the judge ordered it to be stricken from the record?
    What planet do you live on?

  25. Lee says:

    Hillary has a well documented history of slandering women who have made allegations against hubby.
    What happened to “trust all women”?

  26. Prospero says:

    That might be why enough people held their noses and voted for Trump.

    You already had to be an enthusiast for the Right wing perpetual “Hillary is Evil” meme machine to be caring in 2016 about Hillary’s response to her husband’s alleged sexual history going back 30 or 40 years. It was hardly a “hot” issue in the campaign, unless it was on a wingnut site, which if a voter was reading, indicates they already were never going to vote for her.

  27. Boambee John says:

    Perverse Preposterous

    Hillary’s response to her husband’s alleged sexual history going back 30 or 40 years

    ROFLMAO. Someone else to whom “believe all women” is only a club with which to beat their perceived political enemies around the ears.

    One “allegation” might be unfortunate, two could be regrettable coincidences, once the number goes beyond that, the word “perceived” is inadequate.

  28. Buccaneer says:

    It’s pretty intellectually dishonest to suggest post the me too movement, that somehow people didn’t care about the list of women who accused Bill of out right sexual assault. It’s not just a list of women saying Bill kissed them or felt them up inappropriately.

    Neither article represents the way I personally behave or suggest others should behave, which is why I would prefer something better than the current race to the bottom. But here we are with you guys pretending an out right predator is somehow better than a sexual buffoon.

  29. Prospero says:

    you guys pretending an out right predator is somehow better than a sexual buffoon.

    Bill Clinton wasn’t running for President in 2016, last I looked.

  30. Boambee John says:

    Perverse Preposterous

    Regardless, the comparison is valid. We have both you and Non Mentis here, defending Bill Clinton, and dismissing the complaints against him. If you still regard the predator with such respect, perhaps you should consider not slagging off at the buffoon. That they never (well, almost never, Bill C was there behind Shrillary) met on the campaign trail is not the key point.

  31. Buccaneer says:

    Pretending Hillary didn’t take an active and public role in trying to discredit all the rape claimants, many of whom wanted justice not a payout, is pretty low, even for you. US voters noticed, not sure they care that a lefty sock puppet didn’t.

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