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The so called Liberals are lost and crying in the wilderness.
Being not as bad as the other guy seems like an election winning campaign slogan.
With Liberals going with policies like going even harder of emissions reductions, I don’t see any point in voting, especially in a safe labor seat.
“A vote for anyone other than your Liberal candidate helps perpetuate the Andrews government, which has been seriously the worst government in Australia’s modern history.” – Tony Abbott”
So Tone is happy to spruik for nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy, the same nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy who refused to speak up for Pell, the same nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy who’s expelled Bernie Finn out of the party. Says it all really.
I don’t live in Victoria so I can’t cast a vote but if I did, I would not vote for nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy. Why? Because if nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy does manage to get elected (it won’t happen, there’ more chance of the Red Sea splitting), it will just be a Labor lite government like here in NSW or the unlamented Marshall government in SA. May as well vote for Andrews because at least he’s got convictions, unlike the nasty thin-lipped Groundhog Guy and his motley party, once called the Liberal Party of Australia. The Liberal Party, state and federal, now run away from “convictions”, and until the day comes when they start to accumulate some “convictions”, the Liberal Party of Australia, federally and in all states, deserves to be confined to opposition…eternally.
Hopefully the minor parties can drag a lot of the vote off the Libs. They don’t deserve to be in government. Crikey Victorians are stupid. How bad does Labor have to be before they vote them out? Now they are paying the uni fees for nursing and midwifery students. Wonder why they needed to do that? Maybe this will backfire and anger those who have already paid for their degrees or those on lower incomes, a bit like what Biden has done in the US.
Remember, these are the people who voted Labor after the Desal plant debacle. There is literally nothing the ALP could do to become unelectable in Victoria. And the only thing standing between them and the few remaining non-pod-people in the state is…Matthew Guy?!.
If I was voting in Victoria I would be voting Liberal however saying the present government is the worst in history is silly given most Victorians do not agree and see such a statement as stupid hyperbole
And now there are “calls” for ‘free’ engineering and programming degrees.
Next week, it will be “growing calls” for ‘free’ uni for all.
So my list of the leaders of the worst governments – based on performance and /or proven corruption – in Australia since the end of WWII would be, in loose chronological order:
John Cain (/Kirner)
Kevin Rudd (/Gillard/Rudd)
Iemma/Rees/Keneally (Obeid, Tripodi etc)
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m seeing a theme here.
I live in Victoria, in what’s almost a swing seat. The Liberals, State and Federal, just turned their backs and looked the other way all thru the horrible Covid shambles down here. Will not be forgotten or forgiven.
The MSM just churned out tons and tons of pro Andrews rubbish. Libs looked at “focus” groups research and totally shut up.
The people of Victoria – of which the ones in Melbourne are the only voters Labor targets- don’t even think about the Liberals. That’s because the stand for nothing and say nothing. Now, don’t give me rubbish that the MSM won’t cover them, they actually say nothing. See Entropys comment. That’s their whole shtick. And their only shtick.
The first person seen in Frydenbergs ads was Brett Sutton, Andrews personal shield for all the total crap we had to live thru. That sums up the Libs.
I just pay the non voting $20 and get on with life. Democracy is dead, the Future is Feudal.
Smart policy. Worked really well for the Libs in WA. FMD
A list does not include tony Abbott is not a credible one. One that lacks Stanley Bruce simply lacks any knowledge at all.
Not sure how the theme goes, in a Judaic hymn, I think, that even if the Red Sea did not open up, it would have been enough for us. Providence is good.
Abbott wouldn’t make a list of worst Prime Ministers, but Trumble surely does. Fraser is an outside choice too, simply because he had a super majority and could have done so much, then did so little.
Billy Hughes should be on that list too, what kind of clown loses a referendum for conscription during a war. Then gets expelled from his own party while being PM.
Indeed. Abbott was doing his party duty, I guess, but he didn’t look very enthusiastic. Loyalty to the team, however, is no longer an excuse. The team requires people like Guy to be blasted out of their positions, not enabled.
They were actually plebiscites and therefore easier to win than a referendum.
Hughes misread the national mood; which is to say (IMO), he mistook the bloodcurdling aggression of newspaper proprietors for reality.
There are parallels with the current situation in Europe. The media and the establishment love the Ukraine war as a product and a luxury but Western publics don’t care and won’t tolerate their sons being sent over there to die. There is no longer any electoral hay to be made from khaki.
In addition, Bruce seems to have been a well regarded PM who was one of the longest serving too. Apart from supporting appeasement, he appears to have been the motivation for more transparent and effective government. He clashed regularly with Churchill over support for Australia during the war and also with the union movement.
Interestingly, before Bruce cabinet meetings were not well instituted and ministers had little influence on decision making. This history is revealing in light of the current gaslighting over the appointment of Morrison to act as back up form ministers as it highlights that the constitution never intended ministers to be a check and balance on prime ministerial power but an adjunct.
Thanks Trampo for helping me find this tidbit.
NT, I accept Tony Abbott was a better Opposition Leader than Prime Minister but he was much better than everyone on my list, his instincts were rights even if he failed in execution and squibbed the hard calls.
Billy Hughes and Stanley Bruce were both pre-WWII.
Turnbull was no doubt a crappy PM too, but was he really in the same league as Dictator Dan and Whitlam?
Andrews could murder someone in Bourke St during lunchtime in front of hundreds of witnesses and still get re-elected.
Much as I despise Guy and the current Liberal Party, I would far rather they were in government than Dictator Dan.
Bruce was increasing debt in problematic circumstances without any regard to the future.
He lost in 1929 with Scullin inheriting the 1929 crash. He was not PM in any ‘clash’ with Churchill and was thought to be too close to said Churchill when Curtin was PM.
Abbott had no credibility at all. Tried to day the cupboard was bare when PEFO said otherwise then attempted to conflate his own MYEFO with PEFO.
Increased debt despite saying it was the end of civilisation.
The reality was that there wasn’t really a lot of eligible young men available to be seconded anyway. Prevailing attitudes meant that not to enlist was looked upon rather dimly. By the time Hughes tried to change the relevant act in this manner, the grim reality of life on the front, and the horrible injury and death that awaited the flower of Australian youth there, had become painfully apparent to all but the most obtuse. Hughes being at the apex.
The Australian public were right to think that they had made an overwhelmingly significant sacrifice, as evidenced by the shines in most Australian suburbs. Bruce was the one who stood up for this sacrifice in the form of more reparations for Australia.
And yet you defend Joe Biden.
Further to the stupid effing Liberals, and to the likes of the nasty, thin-lipped Groundhog Guy and the puppet Damien Perrottet, to Karma Sharma, to Trent Zimmerman, to Katie Allen, to Fiona Martin, and to all the rest of the dripping wet Labor Green lite Liberal clowns, most of whom were decapitated on 21 May 2022 (sadly that mass execution did miss a few – Simon Birmingham, Paul Fletcher and Bridget Archer), I woke up on Saturday with a revelation. I’d been mourning the fact that Wentworth, where I live, now has a Teal MP, the one and only Princess Allegra da Big Spenda, and then it dawned on me, why am I mourning the loss of Wentworth? Why am I upset? Get a grip Cassie. There was and is no difference between Princess Allegra and Karma Sharma…in fact Princess Allegra will cause less damage than Karma Sharma. It was Sharma, along with those aforementioned dripping wets, who….
1. Pressured Morrison to ban offshore drilling for gas and oil here in NSW.
2. Pressured Morrison to sign up to net zero emissions.
3. Shamefully crossed the floor to vote against the Religious Freedom Bill.
4. All joined in on the pile on of Katherine Deves before the election, even calling for her to be disendorsed. Her crime? Believing in biological sex.
No, I’m now glad Wentworth has been lost to the Liberals. There’s no remorse anymore on my part. The Liberal party, if it has a future, must first extinguish itself of ALL Green and Labor lite politicians and policies.
Even dumber, that Bruce increased debt to any significant amount is not even true, that was Scullin and right before the great depression.
More interesting is that it was Australia’s policies of fiscal restraint that meant the great depression did not wander on to WW2 as happened in the US thanks the the New Deal and the corrosive effects of government intervention.
I see Princess Cassie of Point Piper now thinks it OK to dub other Princesses. Progress?
CL: since when is it a condition of Liberal Party performance that it defend the executives Catholicism Inc?
“I see Princess Cassie of Point Piper now thinks it OK to dub other Princesses. Progress?”
Wrong again False Teeth, don’t live in Point Piper.
It’s really time to end the Liberal Party and inaugurate something new.
I’m not sure what you’re driving at, FE.
He’s not “driving at” anything, just displaying the fashionable anti-Catholic bigotry that has been programmed into his troll-bot software.
Until I saw brief bit of Birmingham on Chris Kenny on YouTube a few minutes ago, I didn’t realise what a Green moron he is.
No wonder the Liberal Party is cactus.
No you simply cannot read graphs. Bruce was borrowing like there was no tomorrow with the best 8% unemployment. that was the best Lyons ,a hapless water buffalo , go to. We di not get to 4% unemployment until WW2. That is why there is an increasing line.
If Liberals cannot win back the teal seats they will not win government.
Err Trampo, even dumber, you fail to realise that people can read the graph for themselves and find further evidence if needed. Like the record of current accounts which is conveniently added in this link.
Trying to pretend somehow the Bruce government was responsible for or could have avoided the great depression is pretty ordinary too.
err, as a % of GDP. if GDP falls guess what happens.
Try reading some history and try and find what projects Scullin wanted to fund. Hint none! Guess why Niemeyer came over
Regardless of any changes to GDP, your assertion is that Bruce spent like there was no tomorrow, these graphs show that to be a bald faced lie.
% of GDP is the measure your team uses all the time to justify spending, telling us that historically, the RGR government was relatively responsible. Not compared to Bruce, your personal yardstick for reckless spending.
Too late to walk it back now.
I don’t have a team mate.
I said debt rose under Bruce and it did.
A ratio has both a numerator and a denominator. In this case GDP was weak.
When you can understand ratios come back and say something.
I live in Kew famous for Tim Smith.The new Liberal candidate sent out an email which I received extolling all their policies.All of the points were environmental bulldust ,in particular how they are promoting 50% rather than 43% renewables or whatever it is.
How can the Teal candidate be any worse?
To top it off I think she is a corporate i.e. not a real one, lawyer.
I did write back suggesting they promote nuclear, allow gas exploration and get a competent leader but haven’t heard from her since.
No doubt too scared to engage.
Pretty well sums it for me as well.
Living here in Melbourne I’d also add I regard Premier Andrews and his ALP Govt as a criminal organisation/cartel.
‘If Liberals cannot win back the teal seats they will not win government.’
Garbage. They don’t need the Teal seats at all.
The first thing the Liberals must do is regain the trust of their base. To do this, they must excise the stage IV progressives (Wets) from their party and let them run free with their Teal mates, or just stop pretending and join the Greens directly.
Next, abandon the extreme-left market segment they’ve been inexplicably courting since 2015 (probably much longer), and return to the Centre-Right (admittedly, it will take quite a journey back given the extent of their unedifying list to port); Leftardville is a saturated and diminishing market, and is already very well-serviced by a litany of batshit-crazy, anti-human ideologues that are much better suited to appealing to the mental deficiencies popular amongst the cohort. (Let them have them…they’re already gone…in every sense of the meaning).
Then, they need to return to commonsense policies. That chiefly means forthrightly refuting the “net-zero” nonsense and re-connecting with the silent majority.
Embracing cheap and reliable energy, returning liberty and control to the people, ending discrimination and apartheid, reducing direct and indirect taxation as well as regulatory burdens on the people, reclaiming control of institutions (chiefly schools), and massively reducing the size and pervasiveness of an over-bloated bureaucracy.
This, as an alternative for a society that has been through a recession/depression with massive inflation, huge increases in energy costs and interests rates, supply shortages, and a political class at war with all that is decent and good.
Finally, they can present themselves to working Australia (faithfully this time), the very same group that handed them the 2013 landslide. The names of the electorates might switch columns, but the result will be the same.
From there, it is scorched earth (the win must be converted into action). Swamp draining, partisan hunting, grift and subsidy eradication, and the delivery of consequences starting with the repatriation of all grid-scale wind and solar to Teal and Green electorates and their subsequent disconnection from coal, gas, and nuclear (you have to give the voters what they want, after all).
“How can the Teal candidate be any worse?”
A Teal isn’t any worse.
I don’t have a team mate.
ROFLMAO. Do you hold a hose?
We have a range of centre-right parties but none of them have sufficient traction in the voters’ minds unfortunately. I hope I’m wrong. My vote shall be likely to pass through them and end with the Liberals ahead of the assorted socialists.
He’s got his ratios arse about too. Dumb as a bag o hammers.
Interesting to hear Ian Cook of iCook Sluggate fame is standing against the Mong in his Mulgrave seat. Shall watch with interest.
Tony Abbott showed (twice) that the way to win an election from opposition is to oppose, oppose, oppose.
29 August, 2022 at 5:03 pm”
I agree with every word you’ve written, however in terms of the Liberal Party of Australia, I think the horse has bolted. It’s over.
I can’t describe my disappointment when, back in 2013, Abbott was elected in a landslide, only to see Abbott, post-election, run away to hide down a rabbit hole, only to pop his head up to appoint a far-left ex-senator to a plum position and then to refuse to accept Bryce’s resignation, despite her role being untenable when her son-in-law was elected leader of the opposition. I knew then it was over, and then came disappointment after disappointment after disappointment, culminating in the failure of the Religious Freedom Bill, a bill that was only introduced into parliament at the eleventh hour. Nine years of failure, but worse….betrayal. The Liberal Party of Australia, beginning with Abbott and ending with Morrison, spat in the faces of its base. I can forgive failure but I can never forgive the Liberals for their betrayal. Never.
Tony Abbott also failed to abolish section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act when he had the chance, because he was too worried about upsetting the left, or something like that.
Then there was his ridiculous and unnecessary promise before the 2013 election to not cut the ABC budget …
Hear hear, Terry.
Jeff Kennett on Bolt claiming Guy’s great and will probably win. Asked why Victorian Liberals never fight for anything, he ignores the question and goes into a noble oration on the “cycles” of politics and how good the Albanese government is.
Am in Vic helping family atm. Josh is seriously deluded if he believes what he uttered. Feedback from locals I have had is they think Dan should go but think the opposition are worse.
Libs aint winning with Guy…
Maybe it’s a stretch, but Dan’s incompetent stasi basically allowed multiple civilians to be run down and killed in Bourke St not that long ago because they had become so accustomed to just ‘following up’ crime after the event instead of proactively trying to prevent it. Needless to say that timidity entirely disappeared when they had the opportunity to bash, pepper spray and shoot baton rounds at similarly unarmed civilians a few years later…