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Open to Voice third chamber, LNP backs ICAC fourth chamber
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CL I have not been asked that previously but it is a typical ignorant question. the Fair Work commission and the Ombudsman can investigate any problem. The powers to investigate have merely been moved to other jurisdictions.
It always helps if one is not lazy in these affairs
“an idiot says what did ICAC do about Obeid . Err they made sure there was a case against him. Why is he in gaol.”
Hey Von Trampis? Are you inferring Eddie was set up? As I said above, your posts here are now incoherent and unhinged. You need to step away from the keyboard.
KK, I rarely speak to Eddie (even though he sponsored her into leadership) because I don’t like.
ICAC, OK nothing to see here.
Obviously that works for Trampis. But apparently
Unhinged..
Non Mentis
does our primary school drop out realise the probability of prosecuting soldiers for alled war crimes cannot happen because the witnesses are afraid of the taliban?
Can you get someone literate to translate this into something resembling the King’s English?
Non Mentis
an idiot says what did ICAC do about Obeid . Err they made sure there was a case against him. Why is he in gaol.
…
ICAC can only move on evidence. There was no evidence of corruption of Obeid’s faction supporting Kenneally.
Suuuuurrrrre, whatever you say. Uneducated idiot, who cannot notice the contradictions in his own comment.
A special case for primary school drop outs. Obeid is in gaol for corruption ICAC found that out. It has nothing to do with supporting Kenneally as leader.
Only an embicile cannot see the difference. Only an ignorant twerp would not know this.
Oh and because he does not understand english the people who would have testified against Australian soldiers are not taliban sympathisers. quite the opposite. Which is why it is nigh high impossible to get them in court via technology.
mind you anyone who is not inherently lazy would know this
Non Mentis
Learn to spell, that is “imbecile”, not “embicile”. Illiterate fool.
And your evidence for your assertion about the Afghan “witnesses” is what, exactly?
Nick Greiner, BOF and Gladys each quit because they had made errors. They were not hounded. Obeid and McDonald were extremely resistant and were shown to be up to their neck in corruption. Both jailed. Nick is in a nice office in New York at escort expense. Barry is in a lovely embassy in Delhi at taxpayer expense. Gladys has a big job in a telco.
What we need is more scrutiny. I quite like the Scandi idea of open disclosure of diaries, meetings and tenders. In particular I’d like to see real tine disclosure if all property planning processes. Generally make it harder to do deals in the dark corridors.
I would like to see automatic prosecution of someone making a frivolous complaint to icac.
The punishment is in the investigation not whatever outcome folks who are innocent or guilty of a non consequential issue might arrange later.
I doubt Obeid is exactly destitute.
A better solution would be to confine government to setting the rules and managing the administrators of enforcement.
FF po
And Carr to Iemma, KK made no errors? Pull the other one.
Foo, dratted auto-destruct.
A better solution would be to confine government to setting the rules and managing the administrators of enforcement.
If Government is corrupt, why would you want Government to manage enforcement?
BJ: bob carr was lipstick on the pig. KK was put in her job by Obeid. What are you pulling?
evidence, err the government prosecutor fool
You might want to reread what i wrote and identify how it differs to what happens today wrt laws and law enforcement.
Non Mentis
evidence, err the government prosecutor fool
Because the government prosecutor did so well in the Pell case, we should believe everything a prosecutor says? Learn to read, then read about the law. All you are offering is untested allegations.
Foo
Your claim seems to be that only Obeid and MacDonald were corrupt in all the years of the notoriously dodgy Labor governments of that era? I have a bridge for sale, BitCoin accepted.
Miraculously, all the others were let off. ICAC is a star chamber, whose only use is to stitch up political opponents. Real corruption only sees the light of day when it’s convenient.
To think otherwise risks being naive or complicit.
BJ: no it’s not. And I might point out that you deliberately lied to obfuscate.
What I do not understand is why you want to cover up corruption.
Foo
That is the least of the things that you do not understand. Your allegation of lying is another.
BJ: you are clearly part of the problem
The whole “National Cabinet” was one big secretive deal in a dark corridor. If property planning needs close scrutiny then emergency powers need 10x closer scrutiny. I agree that things like government contracts signed but held in confidence should never be allowed under any circumstances … the Cross-City Tunnel fiasco would be sufficient proof of that.
We still don’t know who was running the country in 2020 and 2021 … who to hold responsible for the things that happened. We already had a working system based on parliamentary debate, Hansard, ministerial responsibility, question time, senate estimates, laws that go through due process and published for all to see in the australian federal register of legislation. But hey … emergency! emergency!! … no time for transparency … secret committee makes new rules every week … shut up and obey or your granny dies!!!!
They bypass this stuff when they feel like it and without consequences. Would apply no different with whatever diary or meeting disclosure you come up with.
Foo
Care to be more specific?
Quite simply, the more things government does, the less transparent it will be. There is an argument to be made that says that government delivering services is in itself pork barrelling. Not everyone uses passenger trains, that means the money spent on those is a benefit to train passengers but not to those that don’t use passenger trains. Every service government delivers has the same conflict of interest.
And that was back in 2011 … around about the same time there were plenty of news articles probing Obeid … check the links on Obeid’s Wikipedia page, there are controversies starting from 2002.
The critical turning point was the 2011 New South Wales state election … and I remember at the time the electorate, and most of the media, already knew a good chunk of what was going on. Joe Tripodi’s name was also being tossed around at the time, although he later got let off with a warning. Perhaps the difference is that ICAC was able to get tangible evidence, while prior to that it had been a widely held suspicion.
ICAC operation Jasper was 2013 … the one about coal mining where Paul Gardner Brook was the witness who later turned out to have some cognitive impairment (not that this automatically means his testimony was wrong). The ICAC Operation Spicer was only active much later in 2014.
https://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2014-media-releases/media-alert-public-inquiry-into-allegations-concerning-soliciting-receiving-and-concealing-payments-operation-spicer-starts-monday
The parallel running Operation Credo in 2014 is also mentioned above, and it might have started a little earlier. I can’t find an official press release for that one. Those were the ones about water contracts.
No, that’s complete rubbish … the democratic process broke their grip and ICAC only started investigating the open secret a couple of years later. Go try to find evidence of any public hearing from ICAC before 2011 that covers this material … back then they were poking around the local councils and doing regional outreach programs.
The national cabinet issue is discrete from that of any nsw or other corruption probe. As such, the entire national cabinet issue warrants close scrutiny, firstly, for its claims to the existence of an emergency.
Tel: so what exactly were the inquiries that exposed McDonald and Obeid if not icac? I know that the can of worms was opened when Obeids son trued to sue sydney city council – and the herald noticed the company connections to circular quay. But all the key material came out in icac.
“Foo Fighter says:
28 September, 2022 at 5:49 am
Tel: so what exactly were the inquiries that exposed McDonald and Obeid if not icac? I know that the can of worms was opened when Obeids son trued to sue sydney city council – and the herald noticed the company connections to circular quay. But all the key material came out in icac.”
Are you Trampis’ twin? You are incoherent.
Cassie: sometimes best to remain silent than open your mouth and expose your ignorance
“Foo Fighter says:
28 September, 2022 at 7:59 am
Cassie: sometimes best to remain silent than open your mouth and expose your ignorance”
LOL…..confirmed, Foo Fighter is a troll, a twin of Trampo or SoB.
I would suggest that you’re the troll. You made no substantive point at all. Just abuse.
Cassie like all deplorables revels in her ignorance.
Ignorance is strength
A lot of people, including some supposed experts, appear to miss the point that corruption agencies don’t prosecute. Their job is like a permanent royal commission; they look into complaints and references brought them. DPP has the job of deciding whether any changes are brought.
The whole idea of the ICAC, initiated by Nick Grenier, was to open up the system so the public could see. At the time, there were a lot of public concerns involving various politicians (such as Wran and Richardson), NSW Police and some prominent union officials (notably one who had a long stint on the Qantas board).
The test is not whether something is criminal, which is often a difficult standard of proof with white collar crime. The test is whether the action is corrupt. As we all know, Australian politicians have been extremely comfortable with spending taxpayers money as they like and the only real exposure of that corruption has been in ICAC.
Have a look at Victoria, where public hearings are blocked. There you have a government so in bed with a casino company that despite the most damning evidence you could imagine the company trades on unhindered and unpunished.
There is no better disinfectant than pure sunlight.
Foo Fighter says:
28 September, 2022 at 7:59 am
Cassie: sometimes best to remain silent than open your mouth and expose your ignorance
Good advice. You should take it.
Cassie like all deplorables revels in her ignorance.
Ignorance is strength
Like all so-called “progressives”, Non Mentis revels in his (false) sense of intellectual arrogance. If only he had managed to pass pre-school, he might have developed some much-needed humility.
Says the person who thought it would be clever to appoint themselves the grammar police for this site. Excuse me if I don’t take you seriously.
BJ: all that comes from you is dogma.
Foo
ROFLMAO, buy yourself a mirror. Even your poor attempts at insults are dogmatic.
Correction. Dogma and hot air.
Foo
Boring! Try harder, C-.