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Open to Voice third chamber, LNP backs ICAC fourth chamber
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Well, it was an election campaign commitment of the ALP.
The ICAC fourth chamber should be real star!
“stakeholders”……anyone the left doesn’t like.
What could possibly go wrong?
And this bill will never be used by the Libs against the unions because they lack any courage or convictions.
This bill will ensure the Libs get it good and hard , like they deserve.
Dutton, the fool on the hill.
The Albanese government began by taking $5 million from the Australian Teamsters to shut down the Construction Commission.
If the Liberals had any brains (spoiler alert: they don’t), they would use this provision to go after the ABC. Colluding with police to prosecute a Cardinal was corrupt; taking classified documents from Defence sources to get the SAS was corrupt; publicising the Russia Hoax was corrupt; paying a journalist’s defamation damages was corrupt.
And so on.
This is not “rooting out corruption”, it is propagating it.
“Layering” (as in Money Laundering) to disguise the actual corruption going on in plain view. Same as “the Voice” – just another way to usurp the will of the people.
These mechanisms are designed to make it harder to remove snouts from troughs. That is all.
Why do people believe the unbelievable premise that more government and regulation is an antidote to the current over-governance and over-regulation?
THE way to reduce the inevitable corruption of government and its apparatus (the bureaucracy) is to ruthlessly limit it at every opportunity and for whatever is leftover, maximise transparency and the ability for citizens to hold it to account (preferably with pitchforks, tar, and feathers).
Allowing ‘the Cartel’ to self-regulate is just a really, really bad idea (for citizens), but you understand why the criminals are all for it.
Of course it is a bad idea. The solution to the growth in corruption at the federal level is to reduce the size of federal government and no longer try to take over state government roles, such as development approvals where there is the possibility for graft.
But that doesn’t matter: the ALP took it to an election and it won the election. All the LNP should do is make it as workable as possible and learn from the various state approaches to minimise the politicisation and the lack of justice and due process evident in some states (looking at you NSW!).
The Libs are terrified to oppose anything that can’t be explained in words of one syllable. They have a point, since the electorate has been so poorly educated after 40 years of leftist capture of the MSM and the education system that explaining why such things are bad is nigh on impossible.
So they wave them through to the keeper, and the nation suffers the inevitable consequences.
LOL…a star chamber that will only target Liberals and Nationals. Don’t worry, if the stupid effing Liberals and Nationals ever win government again (and that’s looking very unlikely), the federal ICAC will do what the NSW ICAC does when Labor is in power, it goes to sleep.
Agree, and this is because they know they will be treated like Meloni in Italy. Called a fascist, racist, misogynist any other ist. They just need to get over it and realise that they will be called these things anyway as they are just a crude method of control.
ICAC, IBAC, CCC whatever, they are all a waste of time. The real crims know that the best way to not get caught is to ensure the guards are on your side.
Because Labor has always been honourable about facilitating Liberal campaign policy.
Nah, that’s Matt Guy speaking.
It should be blocked because everyone knows what’s its purpose is: its purpose is to criminalise non-leftist policy and politicians.
The Libs seem to be suffering from advanced terminal Stockholm Syndrome.
Opposition frontbencher Dan Tehan says a federal anti-corruption commission can’t be ‘politically weaponised’ (Sky News, 26 Sep)
The man needs an urgent brain transplant.
by george every time we think you people cant get any more stupid you do.
Has has organization such is proposed been a different chamber in any of the various states it has been in. no.
Are the powers still there to prosecute anybody in the building industry . Yes
colluding with the police. Proof. well none actually and a jury convicted the man!
They didn’t take any documents they were given them. We even saw people bravely killing unarmed people. If that aint in the public intertest nothing is.
I could go on but why bother
I freed the comment above from spam, Tramp.
Please spell your own name correctly next time.
Non Mentis never saw a lefty scam he didn’t support, and propounds them in his usual semi-literate scrawl. If only he hadn’t failed pre-school.
As for minor details like evidence that “We even saw people bravely killing unarmed people”, mere details, the word of a Taliban supporter or fighter is good enough for him.
Like comparing female genitalia to shellfish in a jar, this is incomprehensible.
I expect I’m not the only commenter here who is wondering why it took so long for you to come to this conclusion. It’s not like most of your posts include coherent thoughts.
Will Labor’s anti-corruption watchdog be looking into Victoria’s governance?
Silly question, I know.
If Liberals/conservatives really support small government and less spending they should support an ICAC. What better way to reduce government spending than if ministers are too scared to spend for fear of being interrogated.
The Morrison government spent more money than any other government in history, a lot of which was unconstitutional. Where in the constitution does it mention swimming pools and railway carparks.
ICAC a lefty suggestion. Perhaps you should ask Nick Greiner about that. Maybe a few ALP politicians in gaol as well.
Bucco there are various ICACs under various names in different states. No-one until now has ever been stupid enough to say they are a third chamber.
No but film is . We can always rely on the deplorables to support war crimes
Trampo, should Federal ICAC investigate the CFMEU bribing the Albanese government re the Building Commission?
Which alp politicians are in jail because of icac? They studiously ignored Orkopoulos and dragged out the Obeid et al arrangement so long that it still isn’t concluded more than a decade down the track.
BTW, your reading skills are poor. CL called it a 4th chamber.
No but film is . We can always rely on the deplorables to support war crimes
Our Constitution should be amended to give full veto powers to “The Pub Test”.
The roadhouse of commons.
Unfortunately, The Pub Test frequently relies on The Beer Goggles.
Corruption is mainly crime or unlawfulness, and much that slips by the law has tended to slip by corruption commissions.
Cassie: I’m not sure what I missed, but when you say the NSW ICAC doesn’t pursue ALP crooks I am surprised. My impression is that their biggest targets were two ALP Ministers, being Obeid and McDonald. Both have ended up in jail, with case after case adding to their penalties. I do not recall an y Coalition figure having any such focus?
Non Mentis
No but film is . We can always rely on the deplorables to support war crimes
Too hard for you to provide a link?
Voter,
Tellingly NSW ICAC only persued Obeid and MacDonald AFTER they left office. OTOH the libs are persued while in office.
Obeid also let off by ICAC while they were in office.
Not only after they were in office, but what’s more already exposed before ICAC looked their way.
Also, pretty sure all ICAC did was slow down and jeopardise the actual prosecution.
Here’s a simple thought. Pas a special law making political corruption a criminal offence. Then, let the police do their job, don’t hire a Star Chamber.
Put them before a real Court, with actual evidence and cross-examination. It can’t do any worse.
What, like the Red Shirts crime that Vicpol decided not to follow up?
That’s the trouble: when the police are Stazi and the AFP are Stazi the new ICAC is going to Stazi too, sure as eggs.
VicPol detectives apparently did want to press charges over the Red Shirts affair, but were stymied by the top brass.
Then there is Sluggate, which VicPol studiously ignored.
There is zero chance of police in Victoria acting against a Labor government or ministers, at least on corruption.
Lee
There is zero chance of police in Victoria acting against a Labor government or ministers, at least on corruption.
And the Victorian IBAC has demonstrated exactly the same propensity to turn a blind eye, as has the Ombudsman.
But, it will be different with a Federal ACC, just ask Non Mentis, he will assure you.
Then sell you a bridge.
I could go on but why bother
Thank You, THANK YOU, THANK YOOOOUUU!
LOL.
I can just see now, Albo (or indeed, federal Labor under anyone) instigating corruption investigations into a state Labor government.
Liberal, yes.
The only way there will be any hope of holding the alp to account is for there to be an elected ICAC leadership with the remit to appoint all their staff. At least then, when there is enough of a whiff about the alp, the people will be able to directly appoint an administrator that will have the willpower to actually investigate them.
The IBAC interviewing the dicktater in camera was the last straw, none of these things will ever be a level playing field while the media can run dead.
And Tehan, as I linked upthread. The Libs lately are making hamsters look intelligent.
The libs still think people on the other side act in good conscience.
I suppose it’s possible that people here missed it. But the inquiries that led to both Obeid and McDonald going to jail both were public icac inquiries. So it is simply factual to say that the primary result of nsw icac to date was to breakdown the grip of the criminal cabal in the nsw alp. The discomfort of a few libs (largely those involved in planning decision and property development) pales in comparison.
Given the extent of pork barrelling in australian governments in recent times it us uncontroversisl to assert that a corruption agency is overdue. Especially one that looks at public transactions, contracting and grants.
Both major parties are dominated by factional cliques and so we can only hope that the apparent common purpose of labor and libs doesn’t put in a fix.
Still no reasons why the voice is a third chamber and why a federal ICAC is a fourth chamber.
does our primary school drop out realise the probability of prosecuting soldiers for alled war crimes cannot happen because the witnesses are afraid of the taliban? thought not.
Next we have various state ICACs having no power but also being a fourth chamber. you cannot make this stuff up.
Pretty much no one here agrees with the role of government being one in which the public is so dependent on government handouts that pork barrelling should become a norm.
But a norm it has become. Government hands out money for pretty much everything. It would be naive to think that that will change for either side because of a federal ICAC.
What will happen, is what has happened elsewhere, it will become a place to settle grudges and move on political opponents. It will be controlled by the people who should have no say. The actual voters will get no real transparency.
Show me some evidence that NSW ICAC did anything other than slow down the pursuit of justice for Obeid et al. I might change my mind.
There is also the issue of ICAC doing nothing to protect Gillian Sneddon after she blew the whistle on Orkopoulos.
“Cassie: I’m not sure what I missed, but when you say the NSW ICAC doesn’t pursue ALP crooks I am surprised. My impression is that their biggest targets were two ALP Ministers, being Obeid and McDonald. Both have ended up in jail, with case after case adding to their penalties. I do not recall an y Coalition figure having any such focus?”
You clearly missed lots of things. The NSW Liberals were finally elected in March 2011, after sixteen years in the political wilderness. From 1995 through to 2011, ICAC was asleep at the wheel, despite the stench of NSW Labor corruption being palpable, despite everyone knowing Obeid and others were corrupt in the NSW Labor government. Yet strangely, for all of those years one didn’t hear a peep from ICAC, they left Labor politicians alone and Obeid and co could run around with gay abandon. However, after the Liberals were elected in 2011, ICAC suddenly and magically started breathing again. It started investigating Obeid and McDonald in 2012, with charges laid afterwards. Of course it also, began investigating Liberal politicians, which is what the star chamber that ICAC is loves to do, with the result being that Barry O’Farrell had to resign over a bottle of wine.
Fact – a federal ICAC will be used as a star chamber to pursue right of centre politicians.
Here in NSW, ICAC has three Liberal Premier scalps, Greiner, O’Farrell and Gladys. In sixteen years of corrupt government under Carr, Iemma, Rees and the Skank, nothing.
Please check your focus.
“What will happen, is what has happened elsewhere, it will become a place to settle grudges and move on political opponents. It will be controlled by the people who should have no say. The actual voters will get no real transparency.
Show me some evidence that NSW ICAC did anything other than slow down the pursuit of justice for Obeid et al. I might change my mind.
There is also the issue of ICAC doing nothing to protect Gillian Sneddon after she blew the whistle on Orkopoulos.”
You’ve said it best. Thanks Buccaneer.
Thanks Cassie, i’d also add, that Rees and Kenneally were installed by Obeid. Iemma was close to that too, but I think he actually did have some integrity, the rest not so much.
Ironically, I suspect that at least with O’Farrell and Gladys, their own side provided the intel. That said, ICAC is supposed to be about integrity, it has none.
Joe Tripodi – do i need to say anything more?
Aside from Obeid et al, Karyn Palluzano is the only other labour victim. There have been plenty of coalition pollies who have been smeared from office but not one from labour.
“Buccaneer says:
27 September, 2022 at 9:16 am”
Yep, and Iemma ended up being rolled by Obeid. Then Rees ended up being rolled for the Nobody’s Girl, and Rees even publicly spoke about how Nobody’s Girl was a puppet of Obeid…and yet ICAC remained asleep.
Oh and I should add that Margaret Cuneen was pursued by ICAC because of her conservative politics.
Cuneen stays out of politics, she’s just not a lefty puppet.
I note that the usually combative Trampo has avoided this question for 24 hours.
I wonder why.
an idiot says what did ICAC do about Obeid . Err they made sure there was a case against him. Why is he in gaol.
Why are deplorables soo stupid.
No Cuneen was not pursued because of anything to do with her politics. She tried to subvert justice. She was lucky the court found that it was not in the purview of ICAC.
ICAC can only move on evidence. There was no evidence of corruption of Obeid’s faction supporting Kenneally. It di not matter! The voters soon sorted that out
Hey Von Trampis, are you okay? Your posts here are increasingly incoherent and unhinged.