Fresh from anti-semitic vote at the UN, Ukraine bombs Poland

The penny drops (as $ubtly as its ordnance): Ukraine wants more assistance for a ‘missile shield.’

This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying our confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile.”

– NATO diplomat in Kiev to the Financial Times
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26 Responses to Fresh from anti-semitic vote at the UN, Ukraine bombs Poland

  1. NFA says:

    C.L.

    I see your pushing Putin talking points, again. /sarc

  2. Franx says:

    The time has come, the Walrus said.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I don’t know enough about this one. Either side could easily have had some wayward missiles. On the other hand the Ukraine-is-wot-accidentally-dun-it option is an elegant answer to a really sticky geodiplomatic problem.

    If Poland had been forced to say Russia attacked them then it could’ve led to a call on NATO, with exactly the unfortunate consequences we all expect. So finding it was a Ukrainian accident gives a useful excuse to not start WW3.

  4. Franx says:

    BoN
    Yes, either of the two sides; and then there is Poland, and the US.

  5. Yank says:

    CL: I imagine the Putin line is that Ukraine invaded Poland and so Russia had to come to its defence. Justifies it all of course and makes total sense of your line of attack.

  6. NFA says:

    @Yank

    Stop consuming drugs!

    Before you know it you’ll be ‘imagining’ elections are completely ‘above board’.

  7. Not Trampis says:

    Our Kremlin propagandist gaslighting again.
    It seems likely that the missile was part of Ukraine anti-aircraft armaments and was used against over 80 missiles directed at apartments and power stations. Strange how our Putin apologist missed that.
    That this old and not very accurate missile was used is a disgrace. NATO should have given Ukraine much better defence against missiles used in war crimes.

    you cannot use anti-aircraft missiles to bomb farms or factories. Sorry you shouldn’t use them. They were not built for that.
    They are inaccurate and went off course when they missed the Russian missiles.
    I am amazed this has not occurred earlier.

    By the way voting against Israel is not anti-semitic just a very poor debating point.

  8. dover_beach says:

    you cannot use anti-aircraft missiles to bomb farms or factories. Sorry you shouldn’t use them. They were not built for that.
    They are inaccurate and went off course when they missed the Russian missiles.
    I am amazed this has not occurred earlier.

    The UKR missile, S-300, that went off course can be used against any air target. They were built for that role; they are a surface to air missile. And it has happened earlier. Most, if not all, of the damage caused to apartment buildings and the like are errant surface-air missiles or the debris of collisions, successful or not, which is why you should deploy air defense systems on the outskirts of cities.

  9. NFA says:

    Former Lublin council chair Jaroslaw Pakula said Warsaw should rethink its stance on the conflict

    Poland should rethink its position towards the conflict in Ukraine after a “provocation” on the part of Kiev that cost two villagers their lives, a former city councilman in Lublin said on Wednesday. Jaroslaw Pakula, whose term ended four days before the incident, said the missile that struck Przewodow was obviously Ukrainian and that the government in Warsaw needed to send a message to Kiev instead of telling “fairy tales” to its citizens.

    “Of course, this is a Ukrainian rocket. Of course, this is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities,” Pakula posted on his Facebook page. “The rocket could not be fired 100km in the opposite direction by mistake.

  10. Boambee John says:

    Non Mentis

    You’re baaaack!

    Have you yet managed, with your encyclopaedic knowledge of electricity generation systems, to calculate what level of redundancy was required with coal fired generators (with a capacity factor around 90%) to provide the reliable, continuous electricity supply we enjoyed for many decades before intermittent, weather dependent, ruinables came onto the scene?

    Have you yet managed, with that same encyclopaedic knowledge of electricity generation systems, to calculate what level of redundancy will be required with solar generators (with a capacity factor around 20%) and wind generators (with a capacity factor around 40%) to provide the same level of reliable, continuous electricity supply that we enjoyed for many decades before intermittent, weather dependent, ruinables came onto the scene?

    Have you yet managed to calculate the likely effect on the cost of ruinable generation of the estimated 10,000 kms of new transmission lines required to bring electricity from distant, low density, ruinable generators to the users, noting the estimated cost of $80 billion for those transmission lines?

    Have you yet comprehended that if coal fired generators are as expensive as you claim, and ruinable generators are as cheap as you claim, then there is no need for either subsidies for ruinables, or a carbon tax on the “expensive” coal fired generators?

    Or were the results too embarrassing?

  11. Baba says:

    Zelensky blatantly lies because up until now even his most obvious lies haven’t been openly questioned by his western backers.

    Ghost of Kyiv, Bucha mass graves, Kramatorsk missile, Snake Island, Mariupol maternity hospital, Mariupol theatre, Mariupol mass graves, Izyum mass graves, Russians shelling themselves at Zaporizhzhia NPP, missile attacks on Kyiv apartment blocks etc.

    Just harmless japes.

    But this time, aided by an anonymous US official or the AP’s imagination he went too far. Attempting to drag NATO troops into the war by deliberately misrepresenting a wayward Uke air defence missile.

  12. Franx says:

    Zelensky may have been encouraged, duped into taking the stance that he did about the missile in Poland. No longer favoured as the golden boy.

  13. Rightwingnutjob says:

    The Poles are saying the missile that hit Poland was likely one of Ukraine’s anti-missile defence, trying to head off an attack of about 100 Russian missiles headed for Ukraine. I assume Putin is still bombing civilians as his latest desperate tactic and the Poles are onto that.

  14. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    you cannot use anti-aircraft missiles to bomb farms or factories

    LOL. Russia has been using S-300s in a ground to ground role extensively. They don’t need them for air defense much, so they’re a useful alternative to Kalibrs. Makes perfect sense especially when they have a production line going already.

  15. Boambee John says:

    RWNJ

    Unless Russia was using a FOBS attack, the attacking ballistic missiles would have come in from a broadly Westerly direction, and the defending missiles would have been fired broadly Easterly, towards them, not towards Poland.

  16. dover_beach says:

    The Poles are saying the missile that hit Poland was likely one of Ukraine’s anti-missile defence, trying to head off an attack of about 100 Russian missiles headed for Ukraine.

    Wow. That one missile was trying to head-off a hundred missiles already over Ukraine. RWNJ, please look at a map before typing.

  17. Boambee John says:

    on a broadly Westerly azimuth …

  18. Buccaneer says:

    Why wouldn’t Zelenskyy try it on, western leader lie so brazenly to themselves it’s got to be worth a go. Look at the tosh Macron is peddling, he doesn’t even realise he basically admitted that the reason the Chinese wouldn’t feel threatened by the French subs is that they are shit.

  19. Eyrie says:

    Dunno how accurate an S-300 in Surface to Surface would be. Likely would need addition of INS or GNSS to get any sort of accuracy unless the target had a distinct radar signature.

  20. Yank says:

    Right on folks. No doubt now that Ukraine has attacked Poland and Putin is fully justified in bombing Ukraine civilians. Eat east, your work in done.

  21. NFA says:

    Zelensky,

    Bidens, Bitcoin and Bullshit.

  22. jupes says:

    Look at the tosh Macron is peddling, he doesn’t even realise he basically admitted that the reason the Chinese wouldn’t feel threatened by the French subs is that they are shit.

    Hahaha! He did indeed. But only the subs that Australia was stupid enough to buy. Not the subs that the French themselves own. Recall that the Australian subs were based on nuclear subs with the reactor swapped out for a diesel motor. Macron is saying that the Chicoms aren’t scared of diesel subs.

    So, to try and understand the logic here: Australia need submarines to fight or deter the Chicoms. However, the Chicoms would get angry if we had subs that could actually do that job. So, we are better off with subs that cannot fight or deter the Chicoms but will keep them calm. And we should by these ‘calming’ subs from the French.

    Thankfully the Frogs make superb wine, otherwise they would have no redeeming features at all.

  23. NFA says:

    France, and the EU in general, is farqed.

  24. Petros says:

    I’ve stopped buying French champagne in protest against the stupid subs deal. Arras from Tasmania is very good and will do me. I’m helping (in Ralph Wiggum voice).

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