David Marr, 75, claims Catholics with electrodes are hunting homosexuals in hundreds of schools.
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Once upon a time sectarianism was a quasi religion in this country, with the Protestant ascendancy ruling the roost and directing their prejudice against Catholics and Jews. It dominated almost every aspect of Australian life. Catholics and Jews were routinely discriminated against and it’s why Catholics and Jews set up their own schools, golf clubs, sailing clubs, tennis clubs, even law and accounting firms.
We naively think times have changed, that Australia has moved on. But no, it hasn’t. The protestant ascendancy has been replaced by something far worse, I call this the “progressive secular left ascendancy”, and David Marr is a fully paid up member and spruiker of this ascendancy, in fact he’s one of their founders. The bottom line is that Marr has always loathed the Catholic Church but now that far-left progressivism runs amok in our society, he has further licence to spruik his venomous anti-Catholic bigotry. He was intimately involved in the Pell lynching, remember, he was in regular attendance at the Pell trials. Marr gets away with all of this because anti-Catholic sectarianism is now the flavour of the month, it’s fashionable again, it’s back baby, bigtime. So, where did Marr’s bitter animus towards the Catholic Church come from? Well, David Marr has been steeped in anti-Catholic sectarianism since childhood, he’s the product of an elitist Church of England family and schooling, he attended Shore (he didn’t come from struggle street). At home and school he would have been steeped in cries of “popery” “papist ” and “Rome”. Every fibre of his body is drenched in loathing for Catholicism and Catholics, particularly those unapologetic and muscular Catholics like George Pell and Tony Abbott. Having met Marr a few times over the years, I found him to be smug, elitist, and pompous but also nasty, vicious and odious. A truly ghastly man.
When Gerard Henderson was still allowed on Insiders, he would reduce Marr to foaming incoherence by referring to the reality that most child sexual abuse was actually homosexual abuse of adolescents.
I don’t think you have to be brought up in an CofE or Pentecostal , Pope is the antichrist church to have Marr’s viewpoint Cassie. In fact the actual Protestant religious would have a lot in common and time for Catholics these days, for to the masses their “sect” is one and the same.
I think underlying it all for some people, maybe they are would be spiritual people, it is guilt for their personal, preferred lifestyle. And they therefore hate the morality the church stands for. Thus of course any shortcoming amongst some of the flock is magnified to the point of vilification.
The treatment of Milo Yiannopoulos might be revealing. Milo was basically unpersoned for admitting to being raped an older man but writing that 13 year old boys are able to consent. Amazing how this incident which was the main reason for the unpersoning seems to get pushed aside for his other supposed transgressions.
Marr rails against being steeped in shame when it’s guilt that afflicts him.
Maybe they’re just supplying a kind and convenient service to gay people who like being tingled? We could ask Mr Marr if he knows any clubs that offer that sort of thing.
Christian schools would sack a teacher who comes out in a RELATIONSHIP as it is totally against biblically values. It is no different if a teachers flaunts an adulterous or fornicating relationship.
No such school has ever expelled a pupil. Probably because few if any are publishing their sex lives and if they were like that why are they actually at that school.
Where can I get my electrode?
None so spiteful as a spiteful poof.
I laugh when people who know next to nothing about the Catholic Church comment about it. It’s hilarious.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
David Marr projecting again.
Gab, I don’t hate the Catholic Church. I was even thinking of joining it for a while in part due to yours and CL’s arguments, but after researching it and listening to Catholic and non-Catholic priests (on YouTube), decided against it. There is just too much un-biblical stuff going on. Even indulgencies are still “on the books” so to speak. And praying to Mary… no, I’ll pass.
Amazing (not) how a left wing politician’s or public figure’s religion is never held against him or her, as opposed to a conservative’s.
Very selective hypocrisy.
I wasn’t talking about you or to you.
I’m not here to convince, just inform.
well, there was that time,
That time at a school near Chez Entropy where the headmaster’s daughter was caught on her knees behind the theatre curtains with the school boy captain. Both were expelled.
John of Mel at 10.38am
I never liked the use of “non-Catholic” (by family, school et al); parceling up all other Christians under “non” seemed a bit superior.
I won’t be called non-Indigenous.
Then again, words beginning with ‘n’ don’t appeal; that prejudice could play a part.
John, Catholics don’t pray “to” Mary. We ask her to pray for us – as our mother (cf: John 19:25-29). The New Testament is fount, warrant and guide. It is not an instruction manual in a glove box. I’ve never tried to convert anyone but I wish you well in your search. 😉
It’s surprising the headmaster didn’t try to cover it up.
Thanks, Cassie. 👏 👏 👏
And yet I suspect he yearns for a Roman endorsement.
He doesn’t have the courage of Oscar Wilde – nor even his chops as a scoffer.
I just struggled through a book in Spanish answering objections to to Catholic beliefs.
It’s published by the Apostles for the Word, title is ‘the truth is in the Bible’.
I don’t know if there is an English translation but it gives a better understanding of Catholic theology for people, even if you continue to disagree.
I think Cassie is correct about a certain sort of private school CofE scoffing.
It’s also class based.
Dirty Irish etc etc.
Might be a North Shore thing. Asked the Beloved about school attitudes to Jews and Catholics at his CofE school…nothing. The Catholic boys played hard at rugby, he remembers that! And definitely not an issue when the next generation went through the school.
I do remember in the 70’s, however, some of the garbage directed at Jews from NSBHS guys. It was overt. As my best friend was Jewish, I simply turned my back in dismay.
You’re either a bigot or you aren’t. I find it all disgusting and ridiculous. Maybe my childhood attitudes prepared me to have both Jewish and Catholic grandchildren, as well as Proddies like me. Providence, if you like.
As a matter of housekeeping, the archbishops should condemn Daniel Andrew’s bullshit claim Catholicism is important to him, brothel creeper Alblow asserting he’s a “non practising Catholic” – whatever that is – and the moron cult of death president for‘appropriating’ for abusing the religion.
*for appropriating the religion
Archbishop Comensoli did respond very well to comments made by Andrews after the sacking of the Essendon president.
The trouble is of course nothing Catholic bishops say is widely reported, unless the ABC etc thinks they can use their words to beat them over the head with.
Biden should be excommunicated, just as Pelosi has been.
His behaviour is notorious and scandalous. By not reproaching him, the Church gives other Catholics to believe his anti-life fanaticism (for example) is reconcilable with the faith; it also imperils his own salvation.
They always will be, John – as a dogma of the Church (confirmed at the Council of Trent). I do believe, however, they are close to inexplicable to most people, having been poorly preached and taught – especially since the 1960s. I myself have never heard a sermon on indulgences and find their explication somewhat confusing. I think the Church has to review its catechesis on indulgences, ensuring the faithful understand indulgences and spiritually benefit from them.
If one is interested enough, one finds a plethora of information regarding indulgences on the interwebs, sticking closely to anything written pre-1955, of course. The only change being is the removal of days, months and years and instead now in two categories – partial or plenary (full) remission of sins.
What I linked earlier
Indulgences should not exist.
Not even the modern form, carbon credits.
Don’t think that Marr’s hatred is directed to the Roman Catholic Church solely. Although he is a product of a Church of England school, he simply detests Sydney Anglicans and Evangicals in general. He comes across like the old gossip columnist, Hedda Hopper. Shrill, bitter and good at holding grudges.
Non financial indulgences, the only ones available today are fine
If you work through the encyclopedia article the opportunity for abuses have been removed.
There is a great humility to climbing sacred stairs on your knees.
Marr does seem to direct most of his hatred towards the Catholic Church – his career has been dominated by his essays, books (The Prince, 2 editions 2014 and 2019), news stories on the topics of The RC into Institutional Responses to CSA and Cardinal Pell’s trials, and he has appeared with journalists at many writers festivals, TV panel discussions and zoom interviews. The journalists seem to adore him with Guardian journalist Melissa Davey (who claims she and Shannon Deery as the only journalists who covered both the RC and Pell trials) tweeting a photo of herself with Marr at Nandos chicken fast food chain during Vic Court of Appeal – “Let me tell you. This won’t be my last visit to Nandos” – David Marr – and Davey’s hashtags #InspiringQuotes #Blessed
At the Sydney Writers Festival last year, the title of Marr’s talk (with 3 others) was “I Was Wrong” with a short descriptor: “The process of changing minds – individually, collectively and culturally – is made that much harder by a political landscape in which admitting uncertainty, confessing error or revealing a change of heart is actively discouraged.”
I was wondering whether his talk might make reference to Cardinal Pell’s case, but it turned out his segment was about an error in a 1974 flood story where he wrote the water was “knee-deep in Namoi”. He told the audience Namoi is a river.
The second error he said he made was his 1980 biography of Sir Garfield Barwick. He said that the first edition had errors in relation to the family connections between the Barwicks and the Ellicotts, and that these errors had somehow continued in later editions.
It was quite surprising that these were the errors he gave to the 100s of paid attendees at the Writers Festival. But they seemed to love it, as the revelations were prefaced by numerous digs at the Govt (the Federal election was the day before) – Scott Morrison is like that kid in a playground who cannot admit his most clear-cut mistakes.”Bulldozer” reference. (Reminiscent of the Nikki Savva Book Bulldozed published late last year ?), the Govt’s ?defiance re the protection of women, and the Govt had allowed religious institutions to “put the boot” into gay and transgender kids.
A 2013 talk with Philip Adams at an Adelaide Festival gives an insight into Marr’s background and his antagonism towards Cardinal Pell and the Catholic Church over many years (https://adelaidefestivalofideas.com.au/sessions/george-pell-can-he-keep-the-faith-and-the-faithfull/). There is an automated transcription of the extended discussion. Perhaps this was the basis of Marr’s book The Prince – published at the time of the RC and then updated after Cardinal Pell’s conviction – described as an “explosive bestseller, expanded and fully updated”. And “a story about a cleric…… slow to realise that the Catholic Church cannot… escape secular scrutiny”.
It is very interesting to look at the Ambassadors on the National Secular Lobby website – Philip Adams, Jane Caro, Fiona Patten. On the day of Cardinal Pell’s sentencing Patten was doing TV interviews saying the sentence was not long enough and her thoughts were with the victims. Derryn Hinch tweeted to her that she should not have been there that day. And now it seems another National Secular Lobby Ambassador is the Barrister representing The Father of the deceased choirboy in The Father’s civil claim against the Catholic Church and Cardinal Pell’s estate. The NSW- based Shine Lawyer chief legal officer representing The Father has been in the media over the years but interestingly a senior Shine staff member in Vic is a prominent politician’s wife (according to newspaper story on the disclosure of the position on the last day of Parliament in Dec 2021).
I wonder if his background will be revealed to the general public.
Rosie- The Father certainly got a lot of media coverage. Here is a 2020 statement from
his lawyer’s website :
7 April 2020
“I’m disgusted”: Father of dead choirboy crushed by High Court decision allowing George Pell to walk free from prison The High Court of Australia’s unanimous decision to overturn George Pell’s convictions of historic child sexual abuse has left the father of the deceased choirboy in utter disbelief. Lisa Flynn, National Practice Leader at Shine Lawyers, which represents the man in a separate civil lawsuit against the Catholic Church, said the firm’s client is gutted by the outcome. “Our client is currently in shock. He is struggling to comprehend the decision by the High Court of Australia. He says he no longer has faith in our country’s criminal justice system,” Ms Flynn said. “He is furious the man he believes is responsible for sexually abusing his son was convicted by a unanimous jury only to have that decision overturned today allowing George Pell to walk free from jail. Our client says he is heartbroken for the surviving victim who stuck his neck out by coming forward to tell his story but was ultimately let down by a legal process that forced him to relive his pain and trauma for no benefit. Our client says this man, who the jury believed, is an upstanding citizen who had nothing to gain from speaking out other than to protect other children from the pain and suffering he has to live with on a daily basis. He has no doubt George Pell sexually abused his son and that his son’s sudden turmoil was a direct result of the abuse he suffered inside Melbourne’s Catholic Cathedral at the hands of George Pell.”
Whereas I’m sure his son’s turmoil was the direct result of the choices his father made.