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DeSantis can’t win, Trump can’t win. Not when blatant stealing is going on – eg. see Kari Lake’s failure in the Arizona court despite massive amounts of evidence in her favour.
Which rises the question why Trump is doing such things. The answer is not to win an unwinnable “election” it’s to clean out the termites from the Republican Party. Hence this:
Poll: Donald Trump’s Net Favorability Rating Reaches All-Time High (25 May)
The problem is that DeSantis has been quietly cosying up with the GOP elites. The fed up Republican base has noticed this, hence the widening of the gap for Trump over DeSantis.
The courts have to take into account the realities of the polity within which they operate. They must be very restrained when asked to invalidate an election result, however much they think it’s corrupted. Otherwise, the task of unscrambling the eggs produces chaos and what that breeds, as we often see in many countries. This consequence is the greater of the evil than that of letting a corrupted result stand.
So, don’t get too depressed about how the USA courts have dealt with post-election challenges.
I read or heard sometime that Nixon rejected a challenge to the Illinois electoral college result in 1960 – which was quickly known to be corrupted by Chicago Mayor Daley – because he appreciated how disruptive that would be.
Rafiki says:
This consequence is the greater of the evil than that of letting a corrupted result stand.
We are looking at World War 3 at worst, or the destruction of Western civilisation at best.
These judges are gutless / corrupt / blackmailed etc. For the ones behind all this, it’s a bit like the old Rule in Hell rather than Serve in Heaven – except they won’t be ruling in Hell…
C.L.
Check the Sundance article at DeSantis 101.
In hindsight, more fool Nixon!
The Left are always much more ruthless and will do whatever it takes, because they have no doubts about their ideology. Never underestimate the evil they can generate.
“We are looking at World War 3 at worst, or the destruction of Western civilisation at best.”
Exactly.
Not a time to be delicate.
The only reason for the club’s promotion of DeSantis is just another avenue to get rid of Trump. They don’t care if he wins in 2024. That’s not the main goal.
DeSantis is worse than members of the Bush clan. Bushes are at least personable and somewhat likeable. Ron’s promoters even cancelled his hometown event, because they know what’s going to happen if he campaigns in public right now.
Rafiki – Either the courts make a start on the rampant illegality, or the nation will die.
The death of the nation will either be by a collapse into a miserable Venezuela-style one party kleptocracy, or it will be a Civil War 2.0. When justice cannot be obtained then a society based on trust and justice cannot survive. If the courts continue to fail to act the responsibility for the collapse will be theirs.
Check this report on the latest diatribe from that well known global ‘peace-nick’, John Bolton.
John Bolton the war hawk braggart ridicules President Trump for his America First foreign policy
Trump: Pro lockdown, pro Fauci, pro vaxx, pro Bud, pro Disney, pro abortion.
I get why DeSantis scares the bejesus out of him. (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
Few judges are incurious enough to not know what happens when the power structure that conveys their authority breaks down. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-11-09-mn-3526-story.html
The irony is that the security of the judiciary is at least partly dependent on the perception of free and fair elections. It’s a fine line that they are treading in the US and at some point it will all come to a head, with decisions that have consequences.
My take is that a DeSantis admin with Trump as the Deep State Disruptor in Chief would be the optimum outcome. Should Trump be elected again, all the bureaucracy will circle the wagons, some of them will think they can Yes Minister De Santis.
Dishonest rubbish.
You know very well CL that when Covid arrived Trump had no choice but to trust the medical establishment to advise him. None of us knew that they were absolutely and corruptly captured by the Left and were intent on destroying him. It was only apparent after we saw what happened when Trump recommended chloroquine and HCQ, whereupon it opened a LOT of eyes. And the ivermectin imbroglio proceeded from it despite Trump being silent on that issue.
Whether Covid was released as a Get Trump effort or whether they used it for that after the fact is immaterial. He had zero choice as the guy required to defend the nation, he had to act and act quickly and decisively. Which he did, as best as he could. Unfortunately the only advisors that were on tap were people like Fauci and Birx, and we now know abundantly that they were lefty activists of the worst sort, prepared to allow millions to die for the lefty cause of bringing down the hated Orange Man Bad.
DeSantis had a triple benefit in that he had the time to react to the policy coming from the CDC, he could always blame Washington for anything that didn’t work and he didn’t have national responsibility to act in what was initially thought to be a real pandemic. So he was able to institute more sensible policy in his state. Good on him.
The best thing about the Covid thing is we now know that the medical profession has been totally suborned, like journalism. At least it has been above the level of general practitioner, and the GPs that might go against woke policy are scared spitless of doing so.
Bruce, you can disagree with my opinions but I don’t take kindly to being labelled dishonest.
I also note that you didn’t comment Team Trump’s defence of the pervert companies Disney and Bud.
Robert Kennedy Jr and many others have been aware of – and loudly warning about – Big Pharma’s capture-corruption for literally decades. It’s always the same excuse: Trump was duped. What does that say about him?
Not saying I’m a Trump hater – not at all – but I find the near worship of the man increasingly idiotic. I’ve seen too many alleged saviours of the conservative cause to fall for it all over again. I remember when people on the Australian right were ecstatic about Boris Johnson.
It’s dishonest. Or ignorant. Take your pick.
I even understand his comment about Bud, although I don’t agree with it.
I do not worship Trump, I don’t even especially like him, I just observe that he is the only guy actually fighting the enemies. Plural. There are two of them: the external one and the internal one. DeSantis is fighting only the external enemy, whilst being nice to the internal one, but that can never work when your own Party hierarchy is the nearer enemy. See “Liberal Party of Australia” and a certain Mr Photios.
There’s a lot of U. S. Grant about Trump. Sometimes it takes an existential crisis to throw up a Churchill or a Grant or a Patton. Unfortunately neither DeSantis nor Trump can possibly succeed, the US is too far gone for that. I hope that DeSantis and other red state governors can protect their states so that if a crack up occurs there is a redoubt, Schlichter-style.
The problem CL is that people react with their gut not their brains. If you look at all the actions that Trump has taken they all look excellent from a conservative standpoint. But he’s abrasive and obnoxious. But it is a mistake to allow a visceral reaction towards the abrasive obnoxiousness to distract from the actual truth: he has been doing everything that we want.
But the man is not divine, so he could not evade the mousetrap that Covid represented. He could not possibly have defied Fauci and the CDC in their advice in Jan and Feb of 2020. He had no option but to trust the medical technocrats – who we now know were not only unworthy of trust but were actual traitors.
Blaming Trump for an impossible dilemma is therefore dishonest. He redeemed himself with the HCQ thing, which caused the most disastrous and evil act by the medical bureaucracy in history when they banned it and ivermectin. We now know who the enemy is. Blaming Trump for taking away the veil in my mind is not acceptable.
Trump is the toilet.
and crusada nix is the turd flushing down it.
Yes, Crusader, and when we push his button he flushes all the crap into the sewer system where it belongs.
Crusader says:
26 May, 2023 at 1:07 pm
Trump is the toilet.
There’s nothing like a good troll – and Crusader / nix is nothing like a good troll.
Up your game girly-boy – you’re only about Primary School (grade 4) level.
The great thing about Trump is that when he appears, all the turds self-identify, Crusader is no exception..
DeSantis 102
Behold the arrogance of the legal mind! They are saving the nation! Thank you jurists, you have saved us from ourselves!
Well no, I don’t want you to make corrupt decisions to save us. I want you to do your fucking job! American jurists are perpetuating corruption and supporting a truly evil regime. They are saving nothing. I hope, come the revolution, they hang the arrogant legal pricks first.
What jupes says…
What Fat Tony says…
Can’t understand the negativity towards De Santis.I t seems facile to say he is one of the swamp.
His positive legislative record is unparalled.
Unlike Trump he has not appointed lefty after lefty to positions of importance.
Chris Wray anyone?
Trumps main achievement was the Supremes but not much else domesticallt
DeSantis is fine, and he’d be a great President, he just hasn’t worked out that the world has changed and Reaganesque retail politics don’t work anymore. You have to have a fair and just legal and electoral system for that, which the US no longer has.
Also you need a Republican Party machine that isn’t working for the other side, which is the problem right now. McConnell was supporting the Dems right throughout Trump’s Presidency to prevent his Administration picks from being approved in the Senate, yet now he’s waving through Biden appointees. What does that say to you eh?
Trump appointed lefty after lefty because he could not appoint righties because (a) they’d never be approved by McConnell and his RINOs and (b) there weren’t any anyway. The elite stratum is fully captured. You have to go to a really low level of seniority to get anyone not compromised. Which wasn’t then realized by anyone. Not by me, I was amazed. Who for example, before Trump’s Presidency, would’ve thought the CEO of Exxon would be a lefty? But that’s what he was.
It is much easier for the courts to intervene before post election results and processes reaclh a point where to overturn them would produce chaos. A litigant with standing and money to fund a legal challenge must come forward of course. (I am unable to say whether the US courts failed on this basis.)
There is a point where Hobbesian thinking prevails over Lockean.
These are not the right-wing nazis you were looking for
JUST IN: Texas RINOs Vote to Recommend Impeaching AG Ken Paxton – The Lone GOP Politician Fighting Against Democrat Election Fraud in the Lone Star State – OUTRAGEOUS AND TERRIFYING MOVE!
On the other hand, I notice your repeated silence on the fetid, utterly corrupt POS that is Biden.
But then you are a far-left troll.
Piss weak and too late.
It is much easier for the courts to intervene before post election results and processes reaclh a point where to overturn them would produce chaos. A litigant with standing and money to fund a legal challenge must come forward of course.
I thought in the US 2020 election, there was no standing before the election cos it hadn’t happened yet & after the election, it was now too late – already done.
CL and BoN are both correct, sorta, its a matter of emphasis. But I don’t think its right to label CL as dishonest, I thought the Trump stuff was a joke, he has been all over the place at different times, but times change. I saw the video with Hitler one of the participants, thought it was funny.
I think BoN is right about this: neither Trump or de Santis can win. The game is wrapped up. They cannot let Trump win, they will shoot him before that happens. The Constitutional Republic is dead.
There is a fairly good chance that if trump and Biden both win the primaries and the polling is not close in the lead up in favour of trump, someone will shoot Trump. The irony of that is that it would place him among the most respected US presidents.
There is good reason why courts should be (but are often not) circumspect about making decisions that in effect favour one side of politics to another.
Such decisions affect their legitimacy as neutral adjudicators. They have developed a doctrine that “political questions” are not suitable for adjudication, and about who has standing to bring suit.
Such deference techniques are particularly appropriate where a decision might exacerbate civil disorder. In such a case, civil order is preferred to civil liberties.
This topic is tangential to CL’s post, and I apologise for taking up this theme. How critical it is is demonstrated by he intervention by Harrison J in the Voice debate, and by the reaction of Bell CJ. Harrison should have resigned. Bell is being disingenuous is suggesting that this was a private communication, thereby carrying criticism of the MP, who has done the public a service.
Rafiki
“Standing”appears to be a contentious issue with US Courts hearing, or should I say, not hearing cases of electoral fraud.
In your legal mind, do you think the US Supreme Court should have heard the case brought about by the various States after the 2020 election?
(I recall hearing about Roberts screaming at two+ the other Justices regarding the determination, basically by him, not to hear these cases?)
Tony
These standing issues are very case by case specific, and it’s a long time since I studied the US cases. But yes, one suit looked ripe enough. Of note is that Cavanaugh J was one J who rejected standing.
There are times when the relevant court just doesn’t want to get involved, fundamental principles be buggered.
If the Voice changes passe the referendum, the High Court will be presented with many difficult cases. An issue is how is a court to enforce an order that the government of the day do something, in particular if that requires the expenditure of revenue, given the rule that any expenditure must be authorised by a statute.
Michael Kirby once said that when the parliament creates opportunities for litigation, lawyers will seize the time like rats rising from the sewer. (As reported to me by a member of the audience.)
It’s a solid tactic by the left to threaten physical violence against Supreme Court justices. Having watched over 100 days of solid blm violence go unchecked by the law enforcement agencies in the us, it doesn’t take a genius to work out that overturning the last presidential election would have placed Supreme Court justices in serious peril, probably their families too.
The years of efforts by the Deep State to not only destroy Trump politically but also personally has taken its toll on Trump. He’s now swinging everywhere and at everything to punish the Deep State for what they did. The “oh well, that shouldn’t have happened but he didn’t lose a rigged or stolen election right” is proof they’re also the Deep State. Trump is finished politically, he may win the right to go for president but he’ll never win, like DeSantis as well. The system won’t allow it. Let’s say DeSantis does miraculously win, as if the Deep State won’t do it again.
Steyn is right, America is corrupt to the core.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
Biden’s poll numbers are terrible, and trending worse … anyone thinking that votes are shifting towards Democrats must have a problem … caused by being unable to see daylight, with head stuck in the wrong place.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
Biden’s poll numbers are terrible, and trending worse … anyone thinking that votes are shifting towards Democrats must have their head jammed up an unfortunate place.
Trump needs several million of them to switch absolutely and resolutely to him.
Not likely.
I’m not sure Trump shall be able to generate the vote required to put the result beyond doubt (whereby the sheer volume becomes impossible to deny) but if Biden’s cratering in support, perhaps the result shall still be implausible enough that the populace takes notice. A lack of sufficient unity on the Republican side may enable the Demonrats to cheat their way in again.