Sachs on the origins and only way out of a neocon catastrophe

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48 Responses to Sachs on the origins and only way out of a neocon catastrophe

  1. Jannie says:

    Sachs is a good thinker, a compassionate man, and has been in the belly of the beast. He knows where the bodies are buried. Literally.

    Great interview with him on The Duran:

    https://rumble.com/v30oxfq-nato-summit-failure-and-further-biden-escalation-w-jeffrey-sachs-live.html

  2. NFA says:

    Thanks for that link C.L.

  3. NFA says:

    What has absolutely staggered me about this British/US stuff up is that, apparently, Russia can outproduce “their West” in sophisticated electronic munitions and at the same time have created a real Russian fighting army.

    Despite the well publicised Russian military command imbroglios it would seem that British and American, let alone Australian, ‘high’ command could do with a large dose of cleansing throughout ‘our’ defence forces.

    Add to everything else Russia is leading the move to create an international trade currency based on and backed by real gold!

    No wonder the Blackguards and Vanrocks want non-soviet non-communist Russia defeated.

    PS I see a global warming tornado wiped out the Blackrock/Vangaurd owned Pfizer vaccine factory

  4. Jannie says:

    NFA says:
    21 July, 2023 at 2:22 am

    PS I see a global warming tornado wiped out the Blackrock/Vangaurd owned Pfizer vaccine factory

    And everywhere punters are declaring it an act of God.

  5. Fat Tony says:

    And everywhere punters are declaring it an act of God.

    That was my first thought too…

  6. Buccaneer says:

    The feckless Biden administration has overseen the balkanisation of Ukraine and the slaughter of the Ukrainian people, seemingly for the accumulation of wealth for the Biden family. Oddly, they seem to think China is the main game, yet they’ve played many of their military hardware cards in a conflict that simply has very poor chances of success and makes little sense in terms of admission of Ukraine to NATO. Russia and the Russian people just won’t accept that outcome and it’s not like the US has an infinite set of resources to wage constant war on two superpowers at once. Their debt is already high enough for the IMF to intervene if they were any other nation.

  7. Fyodor says:

    Good analysis from Sachs of the extensive background to this war – i.e. neocon clusterfuckery – but this idea that the way out is a negotiated peace seems a little naive, particularly given that the window for a potentially negotiated return to the status quo ante (i.e. the effective borders prior to the invasion) was slammed shut by the USA in April of last year. The war escalated dramatically after that.

    Russia has already annexed the land corridor between Crimea and the Donbass. She won’t give it back. Russia also has zero incentive to trust the West on anything now, so is more likely, I think, to proceed to take the other parts of Ukraine that were historically Russian (i.e. the left bank of the Dnepr, Nikolaev, Odessa) and then Finlandise rump Ruthenia as a shithole/theme-park for mid-20th century Germany enthusiasts, cut off from the sea and crippled to prevent it threatening Russia. So, yeah, peace will be negotiated – that’s how most wars end – but largely on Russia’s terms. Well done, neocons: another country wrecked.

    Ironically, Sachs is probably more responsible than any other American for the success of Putin. It was his botched “shock therapy”, concocted in the ivory tower of Harvard Economics, that collapsed the Russian economy and undermined its government in the 1990s due to the resultant hyperinflation and oligarchic looting. Putin was the corrective to that.

  8. jupes says:

    What has absolutely staggered me about this British/US stuff up is that, apparently, Russia can outproduce “their West” in sophisticated electronic munitions and at the same time have created a real Russian fighting army.

    Me too. The great US military industrial complex that did so much to win WW2 has degenerated into a corrupt second-rate operation, producing small quantities of expensive, inferior weapons at very slow rates. It amazes me that even after over a year of this war, they haven’t been able to ramp up production of simple stuff like artillery shells, hence they are sending cluster munitions.

    Whereas Afghanistan was an embarrassing failure of US will, intelligence and strategy, Ukraine will be an embarrassing failure of US weapons. They will have nothing left but bluster.

  9. Ed Case says:

    Someone else says that the Ukraine War has destroyed the economies and the militaries of the US, EU & UK for no apparent gain.
    So, was that outcome intentional?

  10. Fat Tony says:

    So, was that outcome intentional?

    Possibly – but then you’d have to ask by whom? China maybe?? Others…??

    There has been much criticism of Putin for the slow drawn-out process of war by the Russians.

    What Putin has done is build a good working army (no trannies, rainbow people etc) that can actually fight wars, and he has depleted the West of much of their munitions.

    If NATO wants to have a go at Russia, then it will be with sticks and yelling “Bang! Bang! ”

    I very much doubt that Europe will want to be a nuclear wasteland, so Europe will not go down that path.

    Unfortunately, Biden & friends have too much to lose so, if all else fails, they may initiate a nuclear war.

  11. Ed Case says:

    If NATO wants to have a go at Russia, then it will be with sticks and yelling “Bang! Bang!
    Perhaps.
    As Zbigniew Breszinski said nearly 60 years ago, the State Department pays off it’s European lackeys with bags of money.
    He meant that literally, not figuratively.
    Nothing’s changed since, it’s just got worse.
    So, once all the Ukrainian men have been fed thru the meat grinder [350,000 so far]
    it’s be the turn of the Poles, Germans, French, British …

  12. C.L. says:

    …proceed to take the other parts of Ukraine that were historically Russian

    Interesting, Fyodor. Could it really escalate to that level of debacle? Sans hundreds of thousands of American and European boys, I guess so. My view was that a pseudo status quo ante bellum might still be likely. That is, Russia holds Crimea (which belongs to it anyway, historically) and the eastern oblasts vote on their status in a supervised plebiscite. Russia ‘wins’ because Zelensky and his idiot associates decided to up the ante and set the goal of getting Crimea back; Ukraine ‘wins’ insofar as Russia concedes the 2014 status referendums are null and void. This of course assumes that US/Ukraine would ever risk losing an internationally overseen poll.

    One of the truly preposterous cliches of the salesmanship for this war is “sending a message to China.” I’ll SAY this war has sent a message to China. The message is: North America, Europe and Australasia aren’t willing – or politically capable – of expending a single life for Ukraine. Not one.

    Video: Speaking of China and the insane ‘messaging’ that Western leaders are conducting, here’s Rand Paul (who has to be in the running for Veep, at least):

    Appearing on Fox Business, Paul responded to the almost weekly announcement now that the Biden administration is sending another billion dollars in aid to Ukraine.

    “From a fiscal conservative perspective, it makes no sense to borrow money from China to send it to Ukraine,” Paul urged, adding “It’s not like we’re sending them surplus funds. It’s like, ‘Oh, we have surplus ammo around.’”

    “We’re actually out of ammo now, we’re out of money. And so, there’s no real sense in continuing to do this,” Paul further emphasised.

    Biden himself admitted recently that the reason he is sending horrific cluster bombs to Ukraine is that “we’ve run out of ammunition.”

    “This war can go on forever,” Paul continued, adding “I don’t think the Russians are ever leaving Crimea. I don’t think the Ukrainians have the might to push them out.”

    “If the endpoint is Russia has to leave Crimea and all other parts they occupy of Ukraine then the war goes on, it will be a war of attrition over many, many years and the Ukrainian people are suffering horribly,” Paul further explained.

  13. Buccaneer says:

    “If the endpoint is Russia has to leave Crimea and all other parts they occupy of Ukraine then the war goes on, it will be a war of attrition over many, many years and the Ukrainian people are suffering horribly,” Paul further explained.

    Decades, not years, the withdrawal from Afghanistan guaranteed that. What hubris to knock back negotiations for peace after that debacle.

  14. jupes says:

    That is, Russia holds Crimea (which belongs to it anyway, historically) and the eastern oblasts vote on their status in a supervised plebiscite.

    After the treachery of the Minsk agreements, there is no way Russia will ever trust any international organisation again. However, the point is moot. There has already been supervised plebiscites in the eastern oblasts. Supervised by Russia. Russia will never hand them back to the Nazis.

    “If the endpoint is Russia has to leave Crimea and all other parts they occupy of Ukraine then the war goes on, it will be a war of attrition over many, many years and the Ukrainian people are suffering horribly,” Paul further explained.

    Russia is fighting, and winning, a war of attrition. They will give up land rather than waste lives and equipment defending hard to hold territory, hence the withdrawal from Kherson. Ukraine on the other hand, are very willing to lose lives and equipment to gain territory, hence they are still continuing with the counter offensive despite horrendous losses and no territorial gain. If this state of affairs continues, the war won’t last long.

  15. NFA says:

    what Fyodor says at 21 July, 2023 at 8:37 am and in particular,

    Ironically, Sachs is probably more responsible than any other American for the success of Putin. It was his botched “shock therapy”, concocted in the ivory tower of Harvard Economics, that collapsed the Russian economy and undermined its government in the 1990s due to the resultant hyperinflation and oligarchic looting. Putin was the corrective to that.

    The British/American/WEF communist elites are just lusting to have the entirety of The Russian Federations in their pockets.

    Putin’s Russia First outlook is as much anathema to them as Trump’s America First!

  16. dover_beach says:

    I think Fyodor is right about how this conflict will end with Novorossiya restored, partly as a buffer, partly as a means of turning Ukraine into a rump state, and partly as a means of restoring the historical boundaries of Russia.
    As for Sachs being responsible for the ‘shock therapy’ applied in the 90s, his comments on the Duran (link above) and elsewhere indicate that he counseled strongly against it but was simply ignored by the Washington consensus at the time and ever since. Also in that Duran interview Sachs mentions Nuland as the Where’s Waldo of this affair that starts out, would you believe, with Nuland advising Cheney in the early 2000s.

  17. Morsie says:

    Any reliable figures on the fatalities on both sides.I saw something on the telly basically claiming that Russis had lost 10 times as many troops.

  18. Ed Case says:

    Some say 10:1 in favour of Russia.

    As commenters eksewhere have pointed out, Germany was inflicting Casualty rates of 14:1 on the Soviet Union in the first year of Operation Barbarossa but,
    Who won that one,eh?
    Same story here, Russia has taken on the rest of the world, there’s only one way it can end now.

  19. Fyodor says:

    Could it really escalate to that level of debacle?

    I think we’ll get there eventually. There is a tremendous amount of misinformation about the losses on the ground, because both sides are lying, as most combatants do, in every war. I do think the Russian side is closer to the truth, however, largely because there numbers are more readily reconciled to what’s observable and the West/Ukrainians have been caught in too many flagrant lies. Ukraine’s military realised a long time ago that Western support needs a constant feed of propaganda, so that’s what they produce, on an industrial scale, and our media uncritically regurgitates this delusional pablum to us.

    The reality is that Ukraine had the second largest standing army in Europe (Russia #1) at the outset and that army was largely destroyed by a numerically inferior Russian invasion force (which also copped a pounding, mind you).

    The stocks of Eastern European countries’ Soviet-era weapons were then cleaned out to resupply Ukraine, which weapons the Russians promptly then destroyed also, prompting the end-2022 call-out for Western weapons supply (of Leopard 2 tanks, Bradley IFVs etc.). That’s currently being smashed to pieces in Ukraine’s grand “counter-offensive” that’s going so swimmingly right now.

    In the meantime, the Russians have resupplied themselves entirely from their own, relatively vast military industries and doubled their ground combat forces with the late 2022 callup of reserves. At this juncture Russia is getting stronger and Ukraine weaker; you can see it along multiple points of the frontline, and that’s with Russia holding back a large part of its committed forces while Ukraine throws untrained old men and boys into the front-line as a meat shield. It’s obscene.

    The idea that Ukraine can win any sort of attrition war from this point is ridiculous rope-a-dope-cope: “B-b-but the Russians are losing MOAR!!!” No, they’re not. Russia’s massive firepower advantage in artillery and air superiority means this can’t be true. Ukraine’s position is getting worse by the day and, short of NATO forces entering directly into combat with Russia – i.e. WWIII, nuclear winter is coming etc. – Russia will end up in a stronger position to go on the offensive with much more decisive results. The Russians will then be able to take what they want and the only real constraint will be their desire to avoid annexing the areas of Western Ukraine (the old Ruthenia) inhabited by ungovernable, psychotically unhinged Russophobes, whom I suspect will eventually turn into Eastern Europe’s nazi equivalent of Al Qaeda, with a massive axe to grind with the Westerners who duped them into committing national suicide before abandoning them to their miserable fate.

  20. Ed Case says:

    Ruthenia an d Galicia were home to 90% of the World’s Jews at the outset of the Great War.
    Large numbers of their descendants have been demonstrating against Netanyahu for months, while Netanyahu himself talks up War with Iran to unify the Country.
    Henry Kissinger predicted that 2023 would see Israel fold peacefully.
    The logical result is the Ashkenazi relocate Israel to Galicia/Ruthenia once the area has been cleansed of Ukrainian Males and NATO stations troops to guarantee their security.

  21. jupes says:

    LOL Ed. You would have to be one of the most industrious trolls on the planet. No one can accuse you of dialling it in. You pack so much utter crap into one relatively small post. Well done!

  22. Jannie says:

    Fyodor says:
    21 July, 2023 at 3:04 pm

    Russia holding back a large part of its committed forces while Ukraine throws untrained old men and boys into the front-line as a meat shield. It’s obscene.

    That says it all, its frigging obscene. Outstanding commentary Fyodor. A mention in dispatches to the whole gang, even Ed. Onya CL.

  23. Jackie Howe-Singlet says:

    Um. Did nix get nixed? He should have been along by now. I don’t mind so much, but how about unnixing N. Trampis? I know he made a couple of your attack dogs bark, but I thought for the language alone he made a good counterpoint. A blog only gets one N. Trampis in its lifetime ‘Laddie, and N. Trampis is your N. Trampis.

  24. C.L. says:

    Trampo was never nixed. He just stopped commenting here. I hope he’s OK. I don’t encourage anyone to attack anyone else and prefer that they don’t.

  25. C.L. says:

    In an interview a month or so ago, RFK Jr said the intelligence his contacts in government shared with him was that the KIA ratio in Ukraine was 6 Ukrainians for 1 Russian.

  26. Jannie says:

    C.L. says:
    21 July, 2023 at 5:12 pm
    Trampo was never nixed. He just stopped commenting here. I hope he’s OK.

    Well I did a fair bit of barking but I am very glad he was not nixed. You’re a good bloke CL.

  27. Buccaneer says:

    One might have thought Ed would tire of posting delusional misinformation, but it just seems to go on and on. Trampo got caught out posting fantasy about the nord stream and took his bat and ball and retreated to the sanctuary of no post land. At least Trampo finally found the capacity to be embarrassed about repeating fantasy.

  28. Nix says:

    Except that NATO did not and has not admitted Ukraine. Russia attacked them anyway. Once again, CL pushes the Putin line.

  29. Nix says:

    Buccaneer, clearly on the jungle juice, asserts that the US has murdered Ukrainians! A truly astonishing bit of whitewashing Russian genocidal assault.

  30. Jackie Howe-Singlet says:

    Seconded, Jannie.

  31. Jannie says:

    NFA says:
    21 July, 2023 at 2:19 am

    Robert Kennedy testifies to Congress

    He is talking about censorship. And talking about censorship I am having a hard time trying to find where to see Sound of Freedom in Perth. All my searches seem to end with Indiana Jones goes Woke. Anybody know how to see it in Perth or online?

  32. Buccaneer says:

    Nix says:
    21 July, 2023 at 5:52 pm
    Buccaneer, clearly on the jungle juice, asserts that the US has murdered Ukrainians! A truly astonishing bit of whitewashing Russian genocidal assault.

    No Nix, it seems you’ve simply come back here to prove how comprehensionally challenged you are, I have news for you, we already knew.

  33. MatrixTransform says:

    Except that NATO did not and has not admitted Ukraine. Russia attacked them anyway.

    Clown that thinks antagonizing somebody until they react is a wise course.

    Nix is an idiot

  34. Tel says:

    Nix is an idiot

    Nix is a midwit, who thinks you are an idiot … he will use his marvelous midwit mind to outsmart you by refuting strawman arguments, reducing reality to cartoonish oversimplification and usually finally resorting to schoolyard name calling when everything else fails.

  35. Tel says:

    You’re a good bloke CL.

    He’s a great guy who treats his enemies with respect and love … same as the Liberal Party always does, and it’s worked wonderfully.

  36. NFA says:

    Jannie says at 21 July, 2023 at 5:57 pm
    … I am having a hard time trying to find where to see Sound of Freedom in Perth. …

    I don’t think it is actually available in Australian theaters yet, Jannie

    The website for Angel Studios, the mob behind the movie, is https://www.angel.com/ and have details of the movie distribution there.

  37. Lee says:

    He is talking about censorship. And talking about censorship I am having a hard time trying to find where to see Sound of Freedom in Perth.

    The left in America has gone into a collective unhinged meltdown over this film about rescuing children from sex traffickers.

    Probably because it is far too close to home for left wing groomers and predators.

  38. Jannie says:

    Cheers NFA.

  39. Jannie says:

    Thanks again NFA, I read that page and watched the Jordan Peterson interview, he is so great. Jim Cavaziel is a good man to portray Tim Ballard. Both of them seem to have been touched by God.

  40. NFA says:

    From ‘their’ Wikipedia on Jeffrey Sachs

    Sachs’s ideas and methods of transition from central planning were adopted throughout the transition economies. He advised Slovenia in 1991 and Estonia in 1992 on the introduction of new stable and convertible currencies.[citation needed] Based on Poland’s success, his advice was sought first by Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and by his successor, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, on the transition of the USSR/Russia to a market economy.[37] He served as adviser to Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar and Finance Minister Boris Federov during 1991–1993 on macroeconomic policies.[citation needed] Sachs’ methods for stabilising economies became known as shock therapy and were similar to successful approaches used in Germany after the two world wars.[31] When Russia fell into poverty after adopting his market-based shock therapy in the early 1990’s,[38] some Western media called him a cold-hearted neo-liberal.[39][40]

  41. Jannie says:

    NFA, in the Duran interview with Sachs he addresses the issue about the “shock therapy” that failed in Russia after the fall of the USSR. He raises the case of Poland, which successfully received the treatment, but it included some US/World bank sponsored mechanism to ensure a line of credit to avoid debt default and a continuation of trade. In the case of Russia, a similar treatment was set in place, but the US refused to provide the same credit mechanism, which Sachs had assumed was part of the deal. In fact the US authorities at the time insisted Russia repay every debt repayment etc on time without any help, which was a guarantee of economic collapse. He was dismayed by this, and appears penitent about his role in setting Russia up for failure. It was his assumption that the US would provide Russia with the same help as Poland got.

    I am probably not explaining or describing this technical situation very well, and suggest you check out the interview at The Duran.

    Bottom line is that Sachs understands that this was a kind of betrayal of Russia, and contributed towards the growing alienation, bitterness, and distrust of the Russians towards the West and the US. Its hard to believe this man is “cold hearted”, as Wiki implies. From what I have seen of him my gut instinct is that he is a decent human being, and he is not “Neo-Liberal” as I understand the term.

  42. dover_beach says:

    Except that NATO did not and has not admitted Ukraine.

    Nix thinks none of us have looked at Sach’s timeline.

  43. Boambee John says:

    Or Nix hasn’t, and hopes that no one else has?

  44. NFA says:

    Jannie says 22 July, 2023 at 11:34 am

    Bottom line is that Sachs understands that this was a kind of betrayal of Russia, and contributed towards the growing alienation, bitterness, and distrust of the Russians towards the West and the US. Its hard to believe this man is “cold hearted”, as Wiki implies. From what I have seen of him my gut instinct is that he is a decent human being, and he is not “Neo-Liberal” as I understand the term.

    @Jannie
    I fully understand that Sachs is not “cold hearted”.

    Unfortunately for him the US ‘shat’ upon the whole concept but that is whom he played with.

    What the JPMorgans, Citibanks, et al did at that time was far worse than the abrogation of Mink 1 and 2 but in the same vein.

    The Western world could have had a partner in what we used to think of as Western Christendom but the faggot elitists have abandoned that and want to send their populations into misery and despair.

    I think Switzerland is an evil hell!

  45. NFA says:

    And what was done to Chang Kai Check and Taiwan was absolutely ‘stuffed’.

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