The war in Ukraine is over and Russia won. Neocons inaugurate an utterly shameless preemptive assignment of historical blame

Unembarrassed, News Corp published it: Trump chaos ‘could hand Putin victory in Ukraine.’
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73 Responses to The war in Ukraine is over and Russia won. Neocons inaugurate an utterly shameless preemptive assignment of historical blame

  1. Franx says:

    Matrix Transform
    Donne and Blake like their clods.

  2. Buccaneer says:

    Sending Moldova would be Putins wet dream, there are so many ethnic Russians there it would likely result in a civil war. It also has a tiny population.

  3. C.L. says:

    Territory-wise, Russia hasn’t lost anything.

    Washington, Brussels and Whitehall (plus Australia, Canada and everywhere else, for that matter) decided to make the Ukraine war a world-historical Everyone v. Putin super-dooper-match for the ages. And that’s essentially what it became – minus any commitment of fighting troops by the aforementioned grand alliance, of course. The goal, as stated by Biden and telegraphed by the media and the State Department, was the recovery of “every inch” of Ukraine and regime change in Moscow. Those things were never going to happen.

  4. MatrixTransform says:

    I was not speaking about myself but inserted the personal to illustrate the universal, of which universal I am a part, sometimes reluctantly

    seriously Franx, poetics to underwrite yr noble cause?

    this is why you’re laughed at

  5. Franx says:

    Matrix Transform – A pity that ad homs are preferred to that of looking at the issue and the arguments.

    I have agreed with Carlson and Greenwald in their condemning the political decisions affecting the people of Gaza. What is your take?

    In my opinion, the counter position is looking brittle.
    What is there to justify the killings by the bombings of houses.
    What is there to justify starving the population.
    If that is not ethnic cleansing, in what way is it not.
    What is there to show that Hamas, that creature bred by Israel and others with money, is being captured.
    Are they in fact being captured? Is their capture really the main game?
    Nothing to do with that lovely piece of land by the sea?
    Nothing to do with Israeli politics being propped up by eschatological pretensions?
    Sustained by the likes of Morrison going to Israel with whatever eschatological, ‘no ceasefire’ outlook he and his evangelical base might represent?
    What have you to say? Or, if you don’t care, it should not bother you that someone else might.

    Clearly, though, it bothers you , for you chime in.

    But it really is facile to try to attribute guilt by association. It would be the stuff of schoolyard bullying if we were to shun considering issues merely because they relate to persons who might otherwise be pariahs.

  6. Buccaneer says:

    Franx, apply your standard of morality to Hamas, who are hiding among the Gazan population while still sending rocket into Israel and holding hostages.

    Where are the calls for Hamas to stop targeting civilians and civilian areas?

  7. NFA says:

    Franx

    Your a fact free fraud.

    Prove every one of your above assertions.

  8. Tel says:

    Washington, Brussels and Whitehall (plus Australia, Canada and everywhere else, for that matter) decided to make the Ukraine war a world-historical Everyone v. Putin super-dooper-match for the ages.

    Don’t confuse what the news reader says, with what’s happening in the world.

    The media narrative can change in the space of a few days … and they happily forget all of history and everything they ever said before … as soon as they switch over to this week’s talking points. If they need to make Zelenskyy into the bad guy who messed up, they can do that … from hero to zero in a few quick emails out to the news desk.

    However the actual loss of life, and mass destruction will still be there … for a long time. As the saying goes, “Capture the learning!!”

  9. Alfonso says:

    CL: you obviously do not take notice of what Trump says. Which is fair, given that he is a congenital liar. And on the subject if Catholics I see that you are now opposed to deporting paedophiles. Another exception?

  10. Alfonso says:

    Now to the bombing. Apparently CL favours bombing the homes of Muslims in Palestine and Catholics in Ukraine. But not Jews in Israel. More exceptions. It’s really not much of a philosophy CL.

  11. MatrixTransform says:

    I think Alfonso and Franx live in some sort of shame-based-continuum

    you know, where what they call an ‘argument’ really just comes down to feelz

    guilt by association.

    you post a guilt by association whinge after:-
    –but, but theyre bombing houses
    –but, but, starving the populace
    –but, but … tantamount to ethic cleansing

    seriously
    you guy aren’t guilty of anything except being too stupid to argue

  12. MatrixTransform says:

    yet another example of Terminal Relativism

    completely stunned by the activity of their own cerebral cortex,
    they’re unable move any muscle except the ones in their mouth

  13. jupes says:

    The media narrative can change in the space of a few days … and they happily forget all of history and everything they ever said before … as soon as they switch over to this week’s talking points.

    Winston Smith is working on it as we speak.

  14. Franx says:

    Matrix Transformer
    Reflects badly to argue with stupid persons.
    Don’t do it.

  15. MatrixTransform says:

    Franx,

    your posturing is a pointless vanity

    and I sincerely hope that Israel destroys Hamas utterly and completely whatever the cost for either side.

    if only because you’d finally have to stfu

  16. NFA says:

    LOL

    what MatrixTransform says: 10 November, 2023 at 6:55 pm

  17. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The Ukraine War is over and Russia lost.
    Ukraine lost too.

    It’ll take a generation for Russia to recover from this fiasco.

    (The war actually may not be over, just in hibernation like last time. The mutual hatred is existential.)

  18. Alfonso says:

    CL: I neglected to mention your “winning”! Did you not notice that the immediate effect of the SCOTUS decision on Roe was a series of plebiscites which will change State constitutions to provide for right to abortion? Effectively, the “win” is a big loss since every time this occurs you have a State right that cannot be qualified by the Feds or the courts. Ohio the latest: hardly a hotbed of militancy.

  19. NFA says:

    Alf!

    What a ‘zinger’ that was to C.L.

    I stand in awe to your cluelessness Alf!

  20. Tel says:

    Effectively, the “win” is a big loss since every time this occurs you have a State right that cannot be qualified by the Feds or the courts.

    That’s silly … state’s rights are a desirable outcome … which is a “win” in my humble opinion … although seeing the whole world in terms of winners and losers must be a sad existence.

    As for whether courts can qualify … ask Trump: courts will do whatever they like, including making up their own rules … but should it turn out that federal courts are restricted to only exactly what the Constitution says, then I’m OK with that.

    The whole problem with Roe started because federal courts overstepped their jurisdiction. Curbing that is what everyone should want … if you believe in rule of law.

  21. NFA says:

    don’t forget you defenders of harmus…

    Catholics are Cannibals!

  22. NFA says:

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    10 November, 2023 at 8:41 pm

    The Ukraine War is over and Russia lost.
    Ukraine lost too.

    It’ll take a generation for Russia to recover from this fiasco.

    BoN

    The west is fucked.

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