One might take the calls for a ceasefire to spare the civilians of Gaza more seriously had they come from people who had as stridently demanded Hamas stop hiding among civilians.
Buccaneer: no one thinks it possible to achieve ‘victory’ in this. Hamas relies on the IDF response. This is its fuel and its goal is to prevent stabilisation in the region, which it has already achieved.
Alf, your comment addresses me but makes no reference to my comment, I made no reference to anyone winning and think it’s self evident that armed conflict ends up being a burden on both the victor and the vanquished. Your assertion doesn’t make the IDF action illegitimate or even pointless, as essentially the whole region has been that dysfunctional for living memory.
I think it’s possible to achieve victory in this, Alf. And I have no doubt that Israel will do so. To continue your silly analogy, the IDF “fuel” will incinerate Hamas.
Hamas never had a chance of winning on their own … their battle plan was to encourage other Middle Eastern countries to all pile on.
I think it’s fair to say those people are desperate and perhaps a fraction delusional … but really Hamas is the locally toughest of the Gaza prison gangs. They beat out Fatah and the PLO by proving they could be more extreme, and willing to take bigger, crazier risks. The upshot is that such people are not reasonable people … it’s awful, but it is what it is.
Kemp was a successful British intelligence officer in Northern Ireland. I would think that a worry. His piece is reminiscent of British military propaganda which not long ago came out about Ukraine. On the other hand, imagine: the IDF, supported by a massive MIC, by winning against pathetic, cowardly and tunnelled terrorists, is warcraft enough to arouse bloodlust amongst those on sidelines. The blood and the lust eventually run dry but the money will keep flowing. We are being gamed to hate.
C.L.
Really.
There’s something evasive in taking umbrage at the mention of a brand name.
I would have thought that what was truly offensive was the very idea that people are fit to be compared to vermin, pests (not even the ‘enemy’), before they warrant chemical extermination.
Seems the idea is catching on, fast.
So much for never again.
What I know Franx is that for five weeks you’ve been running interference for, sympathising with, or positing facile equivalencies in relation to, Hamas rapists.
What I know Franx is that for five weeks you’ve been running interference
C.L., I have been responding to the themes as set by you, and remained polite, even in the face of abuse, because it was the issue that mattered. I took it that that, also, was how you saw the abuse because you let it all ride. Clearly, though, I had not quite cottoned-on that what the set up was really about was for lots of head nodding, and about ridiculing someone who occasionally forgets to nod. But of course, a failure to nod is not as grievous a fault as is ‘running an interference’, not when that interference will not countenance that human beings, any, ever, are pests fit for extermination. Because never again. In light of which tenet, and being truly of the fairer sex, I leave the set-up interference-free.
In light of which tenet, and being truly of the fairer sex, I leave the set-up interference-free.
That’s a novel way of announcing a flounce.
Make your arguments in good faith, and leave the ‘but my feelz’ behind and you are welcome to have your say. Plenty of disagreement is tolerated here if you can support it with facts. Meandering all over the shop and conflating Mortein with ZyclonB does you no favours and I suggest the kindergarten sandpit might be more your standard.
I’d been interested in Franx’s opinions
until reading the words –
“The evil of Hamas, beginning to look insufficiently culpable……” –
tucked into one of those cleverly convoluted comments.
and many here would be tolerant and thoughtful
as long as Franx was too.
cleverly convoluted comments
while posturing as the most thoughtful and caring person evah most of it sounds to me like just an excuse for a rant chock-full of veiled pejoratives and passive-aggressive snark
and I don’t buy Franx’s victim-hood-kabuki for a second
You can openly put on public display anti-Semitism/Nazism with the official imprimatur of the government (and an allegedly conservative one at that!) and the police.
One might take the calls for a ceasefire to spare the civilians of Gaza more seriously had they come from people who had as stridently demanded Hamas stop hiding among civilians.
Buccaneer: no one thinks it possible to achieve ‘victory’ in this. Hamas relies on the IDF response. This is its fuel and its goal is to prevent stabilisation in the region, which it has already achieved.
I love the ‘heavy fighting’ reports apropos that hospital.
It’s a very well-armed “hospital.”
Alf, your comment addresses me but makes no reference to my comment, I made no reference to anyone winning and think it’s self evident that armed conflict ends up being a burden on both the victor and the vanquished. Your assertion doesn’t make the IDF action illegitimate or even pointless, as essentially the whole region has been that dysfunctional for living memory.
I think it’s possible to achieve victory in this, Alf. And I have no doubt that Israel will do so. To continue your silly analogy, the IDF “fuel” will incinerate Hamas.
Anyone else see the brief clip on today’s Outsiders showing pro-Palestinian demonstrators marching down a city street?
One of them was a fair-haired young white woman with a megaphone, yelling out “There is only one solution!”
The inference was very obvious.
Hamas never had a chance of winning on their own … their battle plan was to encourage other Middle Eastern countries to all pile on.
I think it’s fair to say those people are desperate and perhaps a fraction delusional … but really Hamas is the locally toughest of the Gaza prison gangs. They beat out Fatah and the PLO by proving they could be more extreme, and willing to take bigger, crazier risks. The upshot is that such people are not reasonable people … it’s awful, but it is what it is.
Kemp was a successful British intelligence officer in Northern Ireland. I would think that a worry. His piece is reminiscent of British military propaganda which not long ago came out about Ukraine. On the other hand, imagine: the IDF, supported by a massive MIC, by winning against pathetic, cowardly and tunnelled terrorists, is warcraft enough to arouse bloodlust amongst those on sidelines. The blood and the lust eventually run dry but the money will keep flowing. We are being gamed to hate.
had a infestation of ants lately, tiny little things about a 1mm long
a bit of research and it turns out that they’re Coastal Brown Ants which are a highly
invasive species from Africa
anyway, some surface spray into a wall cavity and liberal applications of “ant sand” on the patio should put an end to all that
I don’t hate them … but they had to go
Its not funny and it’s such an easy slide
A peoples is spoken of in terms of vermin. Reach for the Zyclon B.
Lies about Never Again.
Franx,
that really is a dumb place to go
Well, I agree; but that is where you went as did so many before us.
And it is not merely a dumbo place.
It is murderous.
correct
Franx, please take a break if you’re going to start comparing the hunt for murderers to Zyclon B.
C.L.
Really.
There’s something evasive in taking umbrage at the mention of a brand name.
I would have thought that what was truly offensive was the very idea that people are fit to be compared to vermin, pests (not even the ‘enemy’), before they warrant chemical extermination.
Seems the idea is catching on, fast.
So much for never again.
Franx … is your problem etymological, entomological, or categorical?
do you even know?
What I know Franx is that for five weeks you’ve been running interference for, sympathising with, or positing facile equivalencies in relation to, Hamas rapists.
I’m asking you politely to cut it out.
C.L., I have been responding to the themes as set by you, and remained polite, even in the face of abuse, because it was the issue that mattered. I took it that that, also, was how you saw the abuse because you let it all ride. Clearly, though, I had not quite cottoned-on that what the set up was really about was for lots of head nodding, and about ridiculing someone who occasionally forgets to nod. But of course, a failure to nod is not as grievous a fault as is ‘running an interference’, not when that interference will not countenance that human beings, any, ever, are pests fit for extermination. Because never again. In light of which tenet, and being truly of the fairer sex, I leave the set-up interference-free.
Franx,
Can you believe that normal, common sense Australians actually loathe the killing in Israel AND Gaza.
Can you believe that it is harmus that promotes killing of all Jews.
That’s a novel way of announcing a flounce.
Make your arguments in good faith, and leave the ‘but my feelz’ behind and you are welcome to have your say. Plenty of disagreement is tolerated here if you can support it with facts. Meandering all over the shop and conflating Mortein with ZyclonB does you no favours and I suggest the kindergarten sandpit might be more your standard.
what do you do Franx, when the paper wasps build their nests on your front verandah?
put up with the stings … use the back door … then write about your turmoil an somebody’s forum?
and seriously, did you just use the “I’m a woman, so shut up” defense?
clearly paralyzed between the ears
I’d been interested in Franx’s opinions
until reading the words –
“The evil of Hamas, beginning to look insufficiently culpable……” –
tucked into one of those cleverly convoluted comments.
and many here would be tolerant and thoughtful
as long as Franx was too.
while posturing as the most thoughtful and caring person evah most of it sounds to me like just an excuse for a rant chock-full of veiled pejoratives and passive-aggressive snark
and I don’t buy Franx’s victim-hood-kabuki for a second
Suella Braverman has been sacked for stating the truth about the appalling double standards of British police.
When are the Tories going to grow a spine?
Britain is a lost cause.
You can openly put on public display anti-Semitism/Nazism with the official imprimatur of the government (and an allegedly conservative one at that!) and the police.